The BIGGEST ISSUE with the POE2 community is THINKING IT SHOULD BE JUST LIKE POE1.

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ragneg#2218 wrote:

I want POE2 to have COMBAT.

POE1 can be 1 button goodbye screen.

POE2 I want to engage with each pack.

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

You aren't a shareholder. You're a customer, and you give feedback, and it's up to the company whether or not they listen.

The entitlement is insane, Just because you give someone money doesn't mean they need to listen to you more than others.

That's not how support has ever worked. If you think that's how support works, you need to go online, and look at 'conditional support' and notice that it's something that abusive people do to get their way with others. It's not healthy. And yes, it applies here, because you're acting a certain way, expecting certain treatment.

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1453R#7804 wrote:

You want the game to be more like PoE1 - faster, easier, and yet infinitely more difficult if you cannot generate infinite currency.

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1453R#7804 wrote:

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YokomaruWP#1199 wrote:

I could sit here pointing out countless reasons why the community is COMPLETELY lost, filled with "Experienced" players, "Professionals," "Legendary players," and everything else you can toss into a pressure cooker and seal shut, constantly saying that "POE2 is far from being POE1."

It’s almost a joke. If you love POE1 so much, then stick with POE1! See how simple and magical that is? Don’t bring me these twisted ideas like "My character has to blow everything up" or "The character needs to move super fast." If that’s what you want, stick with POE1, or should I say "Vampire Survi..." Oops, hit a nerve, didn’t I?

The slower and more punishing POE2 is, the better. And for those complaining? Go back to POE1.

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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Gordyne#2944 wrote:

After you get the knowledge, and farm a lot to buy godly gear... yes it can become much easier.

But by removing the penalty then you're just asking to make it even easier instead of asking for the game to be more fair, balanced and challenging in a good way.

PoE 1's first mistake was allowing players to reach millions of DPS. If this possibility exists, then the game will never be balanced because the damage will be spiky, leading to more deaths, and more penalties.

PoE 2 supposedly is meant to be more skill based and less reliant on raw stats. I guess the execution failed at that. Hope they aren't afraid to piss people off and nerf what needs nerfing, buff what needs buffing, rework damage scaling vectors and defenses and travel skills/Dodge Roll/Mobility.

We can only hope and wait. But I doubt they will remove the penalty.

Nah, PoE has always been easy. Especially when you look into how most people play it. They quit after they get to 80-85 or so. Most don't care to engage with the overly convoluted end-game and crafting system.

IF you don't have the knowledge. There's guides from people that do. Follow it, and you can beat the game.

And no. The game isn't 'easier' because of the lack of XP loss on death. It's just less frustrating. The mechanic is largely just there to pad game-time. And it's a dated mechanic from 25 years ago, when it was used in video games for that express purpose.

There's significantly better ways to make a game challenging these days. And they engage players, not frustrate them.

WoW ran into this issue 2 decades ago. Where they wanted to reduce XP the longer you played, and it just 'feels' bad for a player. Instead what they did, was give you rested xp. Over-all the same effect.

PoE could totally aim to do something like this. A mechanic where, the longer you play without a death the more Item quantity you get.

Players will actively engage with this mechanic, and if they die. All they're losing is a bonus.

Same over-all effect of having players slow down, think about their builds. Improve their gameplay. But it's not a punishment. But a reward. And engaging with it improves the game, not pissing players off.

Tons of games follow designs like this today. It's just a better way to do it.

Not sure why everyone clings to these old designs. All they do is piss players off. Huge amounts of frustration and time-waste has no place in a video game. And that's all a mechanic like this is. It doesn't make the game challenging. People just fucking quit when it happens.

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Polantaris#1920 wrote:

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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Gordyne#2944 wrote:

After you get the knowledge, and farm a lot to buy godly gear... yes it can become much easier.

But by removing the penalty then you're just asking to make it even easier instead of asking for the game to be more fair, balanced and challenging in a good way.

PoE 1's first mistake was allowing players to reach millions of DPS. If this possibility exists, then the game will never be balanced because the damage will be spiky, leading to more deaths, and more penalties.

PoE 2 supposedly is meant to be more skill based and less reliant on raw stats. I guess the execution failed at that. Hope they aren't afraid to piss people off and nerf what needs nerfing, buff what needs buffing, rework damage scaling vectors and defenses and travel skills/Dodge Roll/Mobility.

We can only hope and wait. But I doubt they will remove the penalty.

Nah, PoE has always been easy. Especially when you look into how most people play it. They quit after they get to 80-85 or so. Most don't care to engage with the overly convoluted end-game and crafting system.

IF you don't have the knowledge. There's guides from people that do. Follow it, and you can beat the game.

And no. The game isn't 'easier' because of the lack of XP loss on death. It's just less frustrating. The mechanic is largely just there to pad game-time. And it's a dated mechanic from 25 years ago, when it was used in video games for that express purpose.

There's significantly better ways to make a game challenging these days. And they engage players, not frustrate them.

WoW ran into this issue 2 decades ago. Where they wanted to reduce XP the longer you played, and it just 'feels' bad for a player. Instead what they did, was give you rested xp. Over-all the same effect.

PoE could totally aim to do something like this. A mechanic where, the longer you play without a death the more Item quantity you get.

Players will actively engage with this mechanic, and if they die. All they're losing is a bonus.

Same over-all effect of having players slow down, think about their builds. Improve their gameplay. But it's not a punishment. But a reward. And engaging with it improves the game, not pissing players off.

Tons of games follow designs like this today. It's just a better way to do it.

Not sure why everyone clings to these old designs. All they do is piss players off. Huge amounts of frustration and time-waste has no place in a video game. And that's all a mechanic like this is. It doesn't make the game challenging. People just fucking quit when it happens.

This is the correct answer. Reward me with bonuses for doing things the "intended way", not take things away from me for failing.

At the end of the day, the EXP punishment on death doesn't actually provide any value and doesn't push me to fix my build, it just makes me stop playing. It's a slap in the face when the game already slapped me in the face. I also question how you're supposed to "fix" your build when the game says nothing about what was wrong in the first place.

I find it to be a strawman when people act like removing EXP punishment on death means everyone will just throw their faces at the game and magically win, despite not doing anything to fix what was causing them to die in the first place. The vast majority of players won't do that, and designing your entire game philosophy around a niche amount of players is a losing strategy.

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YokomaruWP#1199 wrote:

I could sit here pointing out countless reasons why the community is COMPLETELY lost, filled with "Experienced" players, "Professionals," "Legendary players," and everything else you can toss into a pressure cooker and seal shut, constantly saying that "POE2 is far from being POE1."

It’s almost a joke. If you love POE1 so much, then stick with POE1! See how simple and magical that is? Don’t bring me these twisted ideas like "My character has to blow everything up" or "The character needs to move super fast." If that’s what you want, stick with POE1, or should I say "Vampire Survi..." Oops, hit a nerve, didn’t I?

The slower and more punishing POE2 is, the better. And for those complaining? Go back to POE1.

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Avindor#4128 wrote:

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YokomaruWP#1199 wrote:

I could sit here pointing out countless reasons why the community is COMPLETELY lost, filled with "Experienced" players, "Professionals," "Legendary players," and everything else you can toss into a pressure cooker and seal shut, constantly saying that "POE2 is far from being POE1."

It’s almost a joke. If you love POE1 so much, then stick with POE1! See how simple and magical that is? Don’t bring me these twisted ideas like "My character has to blow everything up" or "The character needs to move super fast." If that’s what you want, stick with POE1, or should I say "Vampire Survi..." Oops, hit a nerve, didn’t I?

The slower and more punishing POE2 is, the better. And for those complaining? Go back to POE1.

If they do this you will lose all the people who financially supported GGG over the years. People who have allow GGG To continue to develop content and update and patch their game. I guess you want to play in a graveyard where no one else exists.

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Why would they lose everyone who financially supported them over the years? PoE 1 still exists. They can just go play that if they're unhappy with PoE 2. Why do you assume they'll leave?

GGG has no obligation to make the game for the old players. They're completely free to experiment and see if they can bring in new players. If the old players don't like the direction of the new game. Well, the old game still exists. Nothing wrong with that. That's exactly why GGG separated them.

Why do you also assume the new game will be a graveyard? Are you psychic? Can you see the future? Maybe it'll get 10's of millions of players.