Tempest Shield

From the new patch notes:

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Qarl wrote:

General Balance:

• Spell Block and Spell Dodge now apply to reflected Spell damage.

Does this mean that if I deal damage to a monster, the damage is reflected, and then I block it, do I deal Tempest Shield damage to myself?

i think i remember the devs saying it cannot ping pong in a thread about physical reflect mobs and punishment, then again i don't remember a case like this where things DO respond.

Posting this in two threads relevant;

Does the reflect from Tempest Shield proc from each damage instance of Puncture? Because i took damage from seemingly nothing when kiting Marceus the Defaced in the marketplace.
I had punctured him and he had Tempest shield up, i was in sync and then i took tons of damage and died while he was almost an entire screen away.

Any thoughts?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

From the new patch notes:

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Qarl wrote:

General Balance:

• Spell Block and Spell Dodge now apply to reflected Spell damage.

Does this mean that if I deal damage to a monster, the damage is reflected, and then I block it, do I deal Tempest Shield damage to myself?

Reflected damage will not trigger on-block effects such as this, or on-hit effects in general (leech, status ailments, culling strike, etc.)

How about lightninng dmg from tempest shield, does that also work as reflected dmg?

And on that note could tempest shield only be a bad thing if the target is affected by lightning thorns, say they arc you to trigger a spell block that will trigger your tempest shield do lightnng dmg to them, that is now triggering their lightning thorns?

Is tempest shield catagorised in the same manner as reflect just from the player so it would not trigger lightning thorns?

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nugiyen wrote:

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Reflected damage will not trigger on-block effects such as this, or on-hit effects in general (leech, status ailments, culling strike, etc.)

How about lightninng thorns, does that also work as reflected dmg?

And on that note could tempest shield only be a bad thing if the target is affected by lightning thorns, say they arc you to trigger a spell block that will trigger your tempest shield do lightnng dmg to them, that is now triggering their lightning thorns?

Is tempest shield catagorised in the same manner as reflect just from the player so it would not trigger lightning thorns?

I am pretty sure that since the gems states that 'it' deals damage that it isn't categorized as reflect. But it would be interesting if i am wrong.

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nugiyen wrote:

How about lightninng dmg from tempest shield, does that also work as reflected dmg?

Tempest Shield damage triggers Lightning Thorns and Reflects Elemental Damage, but Reflects Elemental Damage do not trigger Tempest Shield when blocked.

To clarify, here's two examples.

1) You use Arc on something with Lightning Thorns or Reflects Elemental Damage. The Thorns/Reflect triggers, and if you have spell block you can block it, but if you block it no Tempest Shield will be triggered.

2) A Blackguard Mage with Reflects Elemental Damage casts Arc on you, and you block it with spell block. Tempest Shield triggers and deals lightning damage to the Blackguard Mage. The triggers Reflect, which you can then block, but if you block it no (further) Tempest Shield will be triggered.

I'm not exactly sure if Lightning Thorns does or does not trigger Tempest Shield when blocked; in the event that it does, what that means is that eventually the Lightning Thorns damage will come through unblocked, but as long as the block chain persists you and the Thorns'd monster will be playing lightning damage ping-pong where they take damage and you don't. Actually, if the monster dies to ping-pong then you block the final Thorns hit, you could block it completely.