Death Penalty System - EXP Loss in particular

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peter_pakanun#1941 wrote:

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B1tchFight#1281 wrote:

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peter_pakanun#1941 wrote:

I will ask for it, I'd said: "Please add the xp penalty back, my son keep bashing his head against the wall. He said he's going to lv to 100 with his 0% resist build, and it's been 3 weeks since he leveled to 76 and he's still only halfway to 77"

A rather stupid reply I might add... If someone is playing a 0 resi build and dies, he would die having EXP loss or not. And if you are playing such a class seriously, why not? Why punish people for toying around with options that are offered? The wall will be real with or without EXP loss. And I claim that everyone who attempts something like this is either totally stupid and therefore the EXP loss wouldn't be taken as "think about your build" or he's trying to other stuff.

The joke went over your head I see.

Anyway, if there is xp penalty my son won't be working on lv to 100 with 0 resist because it will be impossible, but when there are no xp penalty my son will take on the challenge as it is still within realm of possibility, hence the joke.

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lezantas#0819 wrote:

maybe stupid idea, but why not introduce a death counter for each map? maybe the first 2 deaths are "free" cause everyone can make mistakes or find an unfortunate bug in the game, at 3 deaths they may lose 5%, then 10%. heck maybe even more after that if they dont get the memo that they are trying to beat content that is way too hard for their character, BUT now they dont get punished for couple random deaths that can happen to anyone.

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AnimePillowCollector#2255 wrote:

No one would ever fear death or lose experience ever again, because you would just abandon the map after your second death. It'd be a mindless corpse drowning simulator.

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Avaricta#4758 wrote:

The XP penalty serves a very important purpose and must not be removed.

It disincentivizes players to just mindlessly bash their heads against the wall and die over and over in content their character is not yet fit to play.

When you reach a point in an ARPG where you keep dying, the game is trying to tell you that your character is too weak for that kind of content. It is an obstacle that is presented to you to overcome. It is part of the progression of an ARPG.

In PoE especially the player can choose the difficulty of the content 100%. You choose the waystone/map tier, you choose the affixes of the waystone/map, you choose the additional content you do. Each of these things make the map harder or easier depending on your decision.

In my case for example. My build was able to clear the map tiers relatively safe up to tier 15. But when I opened a breach in tier 15 I was at risk of becoming overrun. Since my first priority was the Atlas passive points I simply avoided additional map content until I finished my 6 tier 15 maps. This way I was able to keep the difficulty in an area where I felt comfortable. My decision. Now that I have all Atlas passive points but my character is still not as strong I simply run tier 13 maps but can do all additional content in them without too much risk.

For some strange reason people nowadays are under the misconception that it is always the games fault. When in fact they simply do not want to look how to overcome an obstacle that is part of the natural progression. Most players have that typical LoL or WoW mentality of "I am the god gamer. It is my teammates fault that I do not reach diamond/Gladiator. I could reach that rank easily if I would not be kept down by others."

In PoE 1 this was mostly avoided because the requirements for build guides became so high, that basically every starter build had to be able to clear the campaign naked, finish the Atlas in blue items, be an excellent bosser and be able to do every league mechanic. In PoE 2 the knowledge simply is not yet there to do this. So we are back at the "work on your character" state.

If you die the simple fact is that it was your bad decision making. Except of some unfair one shots, which GGG already started to address and will continue to improve.