From what we've seen so far, do you feel you're going to stay with PoE1 or move to PoE2?

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

I was commenting on what I was seeing in a video that was shared, and somehow that got spun into "everything is shit blah blah".

To be fair, your stance for most of this thread has been that Path of Exile 2 is a mistake, and that GGG are dooming their company by not building what is essentially an exact clone of PoE1 with a refreshed coat of paint. Your core assertion, as best I can tell, is that GGG is courting disaster by not making PoE2 for the exact same target audience that currently enjoys PoE1, ne?

If so, then yes. I propose that doing so - making PoE2 run and play and function exactly and precisely the same way as PoE1 - would be the worst mistake Grinding Gear could make. I cannot figure out why nobody ever seems to get it when they hear that Grinding Gear has already made that game. There are no new sales to be made. No new players to be found. No room for growth, no room to develop new skills or abilities or talents. All such a course could possibly allow is cannibalizing the existing playerbase to no actual boon or benefit whatsoever. They wo0uld've spent seven-plus years, millions of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of man-hours to simply say "we made the same exact thing you already have! Wanna start over just because?"

That way lies madness and ruination. Far better for the new game to be exactly that - a new game.

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1453R wrote:

good points and very accurate read of the conversation

I think people can't seem to get past the fact that the "new" game is titled PATH OF EXILE (2). Because it shares the same name, they seem to think it should be the same game.

And for whatever reason seem to think that innovation and change is universally unwelcome, when the entire industry is built upon this.

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1453R wrote:

To be fair, your stance for most of this thread has been that Path of Exile 2 is a mistake

Well, then I suggest you start reading the actual words that were written, and not making up your own interpretations thereof. Because what I described as "a mistake" was their plan to try and maintain two different player bases and two different games at the same time. Big difference in context.

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1453R wrote:

and that GGG are dooming their company by not building what is essentially an exact clone of PoE1 with a refreshed coat of paint.

Again, all your own projections that turned into misinterpretations of things that were never said. Just because you are tired of PoE 1, doesn't mean you have to make every argument about PoE 1 vs PoE 2 and then move words around to fit the narrative you made up that you want to argue against.

I never said or even implied that people shouldn't be allowed to enjoy looking forward to PoE 2 or that I want a "new PoE 1". What I did say, however, was that I'm tired of people hyping up PoE 2 to be the thing that "fixes everything", while simultaneously turning a blind eye to blatantly concerning issues because "YoU hAvEn'T eVeN pLaYeD tHe GaMe YeT".

Brother in Christ, are you gonna tell a mechanic of 10 years that he can't make an informed opinion on a new car based on pictures, videos and other information they currently have access to? At a certain level of experience, you will know some things are bad before even trying them.

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1453R wrote:

I cannot figure out why nobody ever seems to get it when they hear that Grinding Gear has already made that game.

Oh, so special.

Baumis, you are declaring that your assertions based on prerelease, in-development footage from curated events for a game currently in heavy flux are all somehow etched in titanium and will be how PoE2 is until the End of All Time and Space. It is exhausting listening to you argue for three pages about how the dodge roll is dogshit because this one clip from one streamer in one event shows a lack of i-frames and that means the entire mechanic is DOA Forever. That is not a useful argument to make. It is a waste of everyone's time because it does not matter one frog fornication whether or not Ziggy managed to iframe away from Long Chungus or not because the game likely already HAS changed since then, and will absolutely change after it drops.

A mechanic can look at a car and figure out stuff, yes. Can the same mechanic look at drawings and schematics for an in-development, unfinished, barely half-built car and make the same assumptions with the same degree of certainty? NO!

There's a reason I respect Phrazz's stance on PoE2 and pay attention when he speaks up while you just make me Double Facepalm. You are invincibly lost in meaningless minutiae that WILL change before the game's official full launch, and it renders basically all of your arguments largely useless. Not necessarily incorrect within their context, but useless - because that context almost certainly no longer applies.

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1453R wrote:

Baumis, you are declaring that your assertions based on prerelease, in-development footage from curated events for a game currently in heavy flux are all somehow etched in titanium and will be how PoE2 is until the End of All Time and Space. It is exhausting listening to you argue for three pages about how the dodge roll is dogshit because this one clip from one streamer in one event shows a lack of i-frames and that means the entire mechanic is DOA Forever. That is not a useful argument to make. It is a waste of everyone's time because it does not matter one frog fornication whether or not Ziggy managed to iframe away from Long Chungus or not because the game likely already HAS changed since then, and will absolutely change after it drops.

Anyone remember this?

https://youtu.be/Q17FDfU7-ds?t=1075 (at the timestamp, but other examples in the full video)

Granted, this is a different game but the example still stands: Was ANY of that gameplay ever in the release of the game? No....it wasn't. Any of the animations? Not really, no. The playstyle? Nope. The boss itself? Not entirely. The area? Nope. Nearly everything shown in that final two minutes was changed so much as to be either entirely removed or unrecognizable in the time between when it was shown and when the game dropped. Even more things were in the first 15 minutes of the video that were drastically altered before release.

This thread should have died ages ago. Casting judgments of any kind on pre-release videos, especially when some are over a year old (and the game STILL isn't out yet) is just pointless. Advertising videos are there to show you the bare minimum capabilities of the game and potential flashy exciting things, but rarely reflect the inevitable game itself. They release gameplay footage, and allow users to test the product because ultimately its still the right thing to do to keep interest (both positive AND negative) in the game. But it is never meant to be taken as gospel truth. If it were, there would be no need for an Alpha, Closed Beta, Open Beta.

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1453R wrote:

It is exhausting listening to you argue for three pages about how the dodge roll is dogshit because this one clip from one streamer in one event shows a lack of i-frames and that means the entire mechanic is DOA Forever. That is not a useful argument to make.

You know what is exhausting? People misquoting me [Removed by Support] You constantly misquote me and imply I said things I never said, and the other guy refuses to acknowledge a problem that can be literally seen in the video he himself linked.

I say I hate the dodge roll and proceed to analyze footage and explain why I think it has no i-frames despite other claims.

You proceed to say I said the roll is dogshit and dead on arrival forever. And before that, you say I said that PoE 2 is shit and doomed to fail, even though I didn't.

That is fucking exhausting.

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1453R wrote:

It is a waste of everyone's time because it does not matter one frog fornication whether or not Ziggy managed to iframe away from Long Chungus or not because the game likely already HAS changed since then, and will absolutely change after it drops.

It matters a whole fucking lot when the poster who shared this and insisted on it literally claimed it was confirmed by devs to have i-frames. [Removed by Support]

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1453R wrote:

A mechanic can look at a car and figure out stuff, yes. Can the same mechanic look at drawings and schematics for an in-development, unfinished, barely half-built car and make the same assumptions with the same degree of certainty? NO!

Here you go again. Completely blowing up the proportions of what I said, just so you can ridicule my statements with opposing hyperbole. I'm really getting tired of this.

Once again you are taking 2 separate statements I made about 2 separate things and apply it in a way that not only frames me negatively, but also completely misrepresents and falsifies what I said.

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1453R wrote:

Not necessarily incorrect within their context, but useless - because that context almost certainly no longer applies.

If you would stop circling around arguments you made up for yourself to project on me, then maybe you wouldn't waste my and your own time as much to the point where you need to "double facepalm". A completely rude response, by the way.

I'll just tell you what I told Art: Do me the courtesy and just scroll past my posts. I will now do the same for you. Have a nice day.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

I'll just tell you what I told Art: Do me the courtesy and just scroll past my posts. I will now do the same for you. Have a nice day.

Ah.....and there it is again. 3rd time, 4th time? Disagreeing is NOT ALLOWED!

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zakalwe55 wrote:

I will probably stay with PoE 1. It sounds like PoE 2 is a permanent Ruthless.

That's what I'm thinking, perhaps a cross between Hardcore and Ruthless. That doesn't interest me so I'll stick with PoE 1 unless they keep moving toward Ruthless at which some point I'll just stop playing all together.