From what we've seen so far, do you feel you're going to stay with PoE1 or move to PoE2?

Do you people even understand what "souls-like" means? Do you realize that Dark Souls IS AN ACTION RPG?!?!!!?! AKA: the same genre as PoE 1 and PoE 2?

Souls-like is not a different genre......its a subset of the SAME genre. Not only that, but the term "souls-like" only existed for about a decade now. There were harder arpgs before it, there were harder arpgs after it.

I don't get this stupid thought that "souls-like" is somehow entirely different...because its not.

Seeing to how Early Access is likely only going to launch with access to the first 3 Acts and endgame I'm probably going to stay with PoE 1 at least for a few months.

Why would I want to experience anything to do with endgame content before even completing the games campaign.

15. November PoE2 EA
13./20. December 3.26

dip me in butter and roll me in nuts!

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mefistozxz wrote:

Do you people even understand what "souls-like" means? Do you realize that Dark Souls IS AN ACTION RPG?!?!!!?! AKA: the same genre as PoE 1 and PoE 2?

Souls-like is not a different genre......its a subset of the SAME genre. Not only that, but the term "souls-like" only existed for about a decade now. There were harder arpgs before it, there were harder arpgs after it.

I don't get this stupid thought that "souls-like" is somehow entirely different...because its not.

I do not ask this question very often, but; are you serious right now?

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

dip me in butter and roll me in nuts!

Sure thing.

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Phrazz wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

Back in the dawn of PoE, I was still a D2 fan excited about the prospects of D3. As more and more information became available about Blizzivision's new Diablo entry, the less I liked what I saw. Fortunately, the same YouTuber who I followed for D3 coverage also covered PoE.

tl;dr: I could tell pretty easily that D3 was gonna be garbage (for me, at least). ='[.]'=

This sounds like me.

I played D2:LoD for several years. Close to 10, I think. Still one of my favorite games of all time, even though I couldn't really get into the remake. Sometimes it's just best to let nostalgia be nostalgia. So damn hyped for D3, but I really disliked how it turned out. Not even close to D2 in any way, sadly (for me).

And are you talking about Kripp? I followed his D3 streams back then, his world first (only?) kill in D3 (pre-nerf). Still, D3 was not for me. He went over to PoE, I tried it out, found out it had/has the character customization, itemization and complexity D3 lacked, and the rest is history.

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I will of course give PoE 2 a fair chance. I'll try it, I'll probably sink a fair amount of hours into it to really learn it. But there's not much in the terms of teasers, trailers and news that have made me "hyped". More the opposite. And just like D3; I'm sure PoE 2 will be a success, but I don't think it will be a game for me, at least as long as PoE 1 exists.

Sorry; been without power most of the last week.

Nah. I hadn't even heard of Kripp yet. It was a channel called Force Strategy Gaming (now just Force Gaming):

https://www.youtube.com/@ForceGamingYT

He hasn't covered POE in many moons, though. ='[.]'=

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Raycheetah wrote:

He hasn't covered POE in many moons, though. ='[.]'=

Yeah, I've been following him since the build-up days to D3 too. Still watching his "New games to look forward to this month" series.

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mefistozxz wrote:

Do you people even understand what "souls-like" means? Do you realize that Dark Souls IS AN ACTION RPG?!?!!!?! AKA: the same genre as PoE 1 and PoE 2?

Souls-like is not a different genre......its a subset of the SAME genre. Not only that, but the term "souls-like" only existed for about a decade now. There were harder arpgs before it, there were harder arpgs after it.

I don't get this stupid thought that "souls-like" is somehow entirely different...because its not.

Souls like is a philosophy.
It puts agency in the hands of the player and not equipment or a build.
There are no variations in difficulty, it is what it is.
It is difficult and fair, the path to victory is always discoverable and repeatable danger(when fighting) is obvious and avoidable.
Every player experiences the same difficulty so they can compare their games and know it was a shared experience.

PoE is none of those things.
in fact it is as far from a Souls game as you can get.

So the inclusion of reflex based dodging, WASD improved motion control allowing movement while using the mouse elsewhere im sure is concerning to the age 35+ bifocal wearing fan base ...

If it requires mechanical dexterity, focus, reaction speed, fast twitch muscles with split second evasion... i can promise the current fan base will hate it.
Because get gud doesn't mean copy someone else .. it means you physically need to improve, this crowd is not ready for that!

However it would open the door to new players who would love to compensate for imperfect builds with physical dexterity and enjoy the act of "fighting" the mobs instead of killing the mobs.

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Jitter912 wrote:

Souls like is a philosophy.
It puts agency in the hands of the player and not equipment or a build.
There are no variations in difficulty, it is what it is.
It is difficult and fair, the path to victory is always discoverable and repeatable danger(when fighting) is obvious and avoidable.
Every player experiences the same difficulty so they can compare their games and know it was a shared experience.

Equipment and build play an enormous role in how one plays a Souls game. It almost defines your experience because if your timing sucks, then a strength build isn't the way to go. If you're not good up close, try a ranged or caster build.

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Jitter912 wrote:

PoE is none of those things.
in fact it is as far from a Souls game as you can get.

Every player that plays PoE plays the same campaign and the exact same endgame. They customize it via scarabs, atlas, map mods etc. The entire game is the same for everyone outside of the controls they put in place and what content they chose to play. How on earth is this different from your description of a Souls game? It's as far as you can get?

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Jitter912 wrote:

So the inclusion of reflex based dodging, WASD improved motion control allowing movement while using the mouse elsewhere im sure is concerning to the age 35+ bifocal wearing fan base ...

People have been using movement skills and movement speed to reflexively dodge mechanics since this game came out. Adding WASD will certainly shake things up though.

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Jitter912 wrote:

If it requires mechanical dexterity, focus, reaction speed, fast twitch muscles with split second evasion... i can promise the current fan base will hate it.

OK

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Jitter912 wrote:

Because get gud doesn't mean copy someone else .. it means you physically need to improve, this crowd is not ready for that!

Physically need to improve? Do you mean they need more experience in resolving issues with their builds? Figuring out how to reach their build-goals and developing new goals each time they reach a new plateau?

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Jitter912 wrote:

However it would open the door to new players who would love to compensate for imperfect builds with physical dexterity and enjoy the act of "fighting" the mobs instead of killing the mobs.

Here is where you hit on the difference between Souls and PoE. Exponential scaling and actual skill. Skill can take you very far in Souls, though you need knowledge of the game to progress in PoE. At least at first, every single enemy in Souls is engaging and fun to fight. Just like a standup Comedy gig, Souls has much less replay value because of this, though I'd argue it's much more intensely engaging on the first run through. You can 1-tap 45k depth Delve mobs in PoE.

I dunno man

Im killing the fire giant with daggers on a faith build right now.
Im thinking gear is optional.

Just ask "Let me Solo Her" he is naked with a pot on his head... i mean

In Souls gear isn't IF you can do it.
It's how you are going to do it.

Daggers in close and personal , flurry and dodge
Sword and board , dance and swing.
2 hander and dual 2 hander or clossal .. unga bunga baby!
and those bitches with the glow sticks or whatever int build bs....
anyhow i digress ..

If PoE2 tries to emulate a game play that up until now has never existed i don't think people will like it.

Im not even saying that PoE2 would be bad or inferior it's that the
requirements for success in both games are very different.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I still maintain that if the dodge roll isn't really effective during the AoE portions of a boss damage phase, and the better solution ends up being "how do I just face tank this", then it seems like a fruitless endeavor, as it will simply be ignored.

99.9% of people who fight atziri, shaper, elder, maven etc move out of their aoe damage. we dont have dodgeroll in poe1 and yet maybe 1 in 1000 players is building a build to just facetank the maven boom, the atzubi flameblast, the shaper slam. everyone else just moves out of the way, if the devs want you to move then the amount of damage it will do vs your potential defences will make it far easier to just move out of the way than build enough defence to face tank it as we can see evidence of in just about every game ever made that has bosses with aoe damage and variable defences.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

he obviously mistimed those rolls, theres all the other times he completely avoided all the damage by rolling through the attack which ur what? ignoring because u just want a negative take?

Feel free to re-watch the video you linked. Even in these moments I clipped, you can clearly see him take damage while rolling. You claimed they said it has i-frames. I showed you 2 clear examples where it appears not to be the case. And the roll you seem to be referring to is an overhead attack that is meant to be dodged by rolling under it. That proves exactly nothing.

no, he got hit either before he rolled or as he was coming out of the roll, you can clearly see many times where during the middle of the roll the projectiles dont hit him.

theres no such thing as an overhead attack, it fires projectiles and if you are standing there or walking as they pass through the space you occupy you will be hit as you can clearly see him getting hit many times, but if you roll you they do not hit you, providing you actually time it correctly.

theres no overhead and going under, thats not a thing. thats what it looks like and thats what its supposed to feel like but thats not how things are mechanically calculated in a game like this.


why are you trying to argue like you need proof something exists that everyone can clearly see exists in the video? the guy making the video is telling you is a thing and he knows its a thing because he has interviewed the devs on many occasions and they have told him and us is a thing and shown footage of many times.









weird conversations tbh, i cant help but feel the only reason for these 2 comments is because people want to be negative and are trying really really hard to ignore what should be obvious trying to find a negative take. i shouldnt even bother responding tbh but vie typed it now so whatever i guess.