Bex Confirms ExileCon is the Jumping-Off Point for Path of Exile 2's Marketing

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1453R wrote:

I suppose the issue, Darth, is that consistently denigrating and dismissing the Path of Exile 2 redux as "just 4.0, a minor expansion not really worth talking about" feels disingenuous and misleading. Even what little we know of it so far is going to blow up the game. From what we know so far, Path of Exile 2 is absolutely the sort of rework you'd see in a video game sequel. Grinding Gear is simply going an extra dozen miles in retroactively back-hacking their sequel in to the original game in order to preserve your purchases and progress, rather than forcing you to build an MTX collection and a Standard backlog of testing gear all over again. They're being nicer than most companies are when developing a sequel and letting you keep your shit, despite that being significantly harder than starting from a clean slate.

3.0 aka Fall of Oriath was fucking HUGE.

Lol @ being nice and letting you keep your shit. Or, yknow, the other way of looking at it: being denied a proper sequel because a GAAS holds its devs hostage to long term updating and Ship of Theseus style overhauls.

But what would I know? I burned all my PoE shit and would gladly have given it up to play a proper sequel to PoE. Whales do be like that.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Or, yknow, the other way of looking at it: being denied a proper sequel...

Denied?

What would/could a "proper sequel" give you that a "fake sequel" can't? Like, in theory?

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Phrazz wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Or, yknow, the other way of looking at it: being denied a proper sequel...

Denied?

What would/could a "proper sequel" give you that a "fake sequel" can't? Like, in theory?

A new game dude, building on what they have learned these past 13 or so years. Sure, you can put PoE on a weight loss course but some damage is simply going to have lasting repercussions. Much better to just start over. You have read what I have said on this several times. Please don't make me repeat it.

The only reason they won't is because they can't. PoE is their sole earner and too many players have invested too much in it to allow for something truly new.

And that is why f2p GAAS is just bad for creative integrity and freedom. Great for making money though, which is why it's so huge. But you can't tell me PoE 4.0 has the same potential for GGG making something new and amazing as a proper, non-fake sequel.

So yeah. Denied is the word I use. I get giddy thinking about what sort of game the GGG devs could make if they took all they've learned, refining the good and not even mentioning the bad, and applied it to a premium ARPG product. I think going f2p was clever of them to establish capital and safety but the model is seriously holding them back now.



Fuck. You made me repeat it.

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鬼殺し wrote:

The only reason they won't is because they can't. PoE is their sole earner and too many players have invested too much in it to allow for something truly new.

I mean they could, they have already proven they can tide us over nicely with 3 devs making some cut and paste stuff while they work on something else - and have been working on said something else long enough that it could be anything.

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SerialF wrote:

people using the 4.0 is almost always to downplay how big an "update" this is. disrespectful to the devs. nobody following closely cares about the label if it s 4.0 or 2.

You says is disrespectful(LOL) just to contradict yourself right after saying nobody cares.

It IS the 4.0 update, if you have a problem with that ask GGG to make a sequel from scratch.

Again - most of the people who stridently push the 4.0 terminology are doing so in a deliberate attempt to dismiss the update as minoy, inconsequential, and unworthy of attention. They wish to suppress and eliminate discussion of Path of Exile 2, with claims that the expansion won't change anything or be worth the time taken away from Actually Important tasks like yet another attempt to make melee better.

This irritates and upsets a lot of folks, for whom Path 2 is a primary reason they're still here. I know I quit playing multiple leagues ago and wouldn't be back now if not for excitement over the potential of Path 2. This is Grinding Gear's chance to revitalize a tired old game that's been showing its age for years despite the development team's best efforts otherwise, and a LOT of people are hopeful and excited about that chance.

Consistently telling people that hope/excitement is false and bad is not going to go over well. The semantic truth of version numbering honestly doesn't matter. The truth people care about is whether Path 2 will make Path of Exile a newer, better game and improve the play experience in ways even 3.0 - y'know, the last "minor update" people liked to dismiss - didn't come anywhere close to approaching.

So yes. Nobody cares about the version numbering. What people care about is the grumpy grouchy grognards trying to tell them they're stupid and dumb for hoping Path 2 is the game-exploding update it's been promised to be.

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1453R wrote:

Again - most of the people who stridently push the 4.0 terminology are doing so in a deliberate attempt to dismiss the update as minoy, inconsequential, and unworthy of attention. They wish to suppress and eliminate discussion of Path of Exile 2, with claims that the expansion won't change anything or be worth the time taken away from Actually Important tasks like yet another attempt to make melee better.

LOL, you're pointing at something that isn't there.

Am I?

Tell me, Bauer. What would you prefer Grinding Gear be using development resources on, other than Path of Exile 2? If you were Chris Wilson for a day, where would you redeploy the PoE2 team and assets?

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1453R wrote:

Am I?

Tell me, Bauer. What would you prefer Grinding Gear be using development resources on, other than Path of Exile 2? If you were Chris Wilson for a day, where would you redeploy the PoE2 team and assets?

What does that got to do with anything?

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鬼殺し wrote:

Fuck. You made me repeat it.

I just don't think what you view as 'good' and/or 'bad' are necessarily shared by GGG.

Personally, I don't think they have to make a new game. Sure, some weight loss, trimming and tuning are probably in place (and coming), but the loyal players still view PoE as the best ARPG out there. I think it's only fair to build upon the game they love - and make an effort to bring that experience to the "next generation".

And I don't really think you repeated it; I was actually looking for some direct examples you want them to change in a "new game", which they are directly unable to change in 4.0. In my eyes, 4.0 is a chance for them to change exactly what they want to change, keep everything they deem as 'good', scrap most of what they deem as 'bad'. Starfield took what, 8 years? And they've spent more than 5 on PoE 4.0? They've had time to do what they want to do.

And I don't necessarily think that dragging the old acts along is a bad move. And I seriously doubt it will be permanent, but rather a transition period.