Bex Confirms ExileCon is the Jumping-Off Point for Path of Exile 2's Marketing

people using the 4.0 is almost always to downplay how big an "update" this is. disrespectful to the devs. nobody following closely cares about the label if it s 4.0 or 2. It s probably cause for anyone outside the game, 4.0 looks like an average update that you probably wont check out when poe 2 means, hey maybe i take a look at this and so they decided to make a name to reflect the tons of improvements.

Why even bring this name stuff other than trying to denigrate the update. "JUST a 4.0 lol".

at least wait for poe 2 to come out before trying to smear it in some way.

and btw poe 2 means a lot more people are going to work on leagues so better leagues and balances.

Much better engine + new campaign + future great leagues is way enough to call it poe 2 to tell people, yep it s big.

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SerialF wrote:

nobody following closely cares about the label if it s 4.0 or 2. It s probably cause for anyone outside the game, 4.0 looks like an average update that you probably wont check out when poe 2 means, hey maybe i take a look at this and so they decided to make a name to reflect the tons of improvements.

This is correct. That's why it matters. A lot. But not to anyone already here as forum users.

Chris even mentioned on a podcast that there are still people that think they game has desynch and /oos and all kinds of other relics from the past and nothing short of a sequel will bring them back. It is all about that signaling.

Personally I have friends who have quit years ago (around last Exilecon) and said that they'd come back for PoE2. Literally no matter how good or different the game gets between then and now, they feel like they've seen everything there is to see from PoE1. Fair enough on that front I guess.

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1453R wrote:

I suppose the issue, Darth, is that consistently denigrating and dismissing the Path of Exile 2 redux as "just 4.0, a minor expansion not really worth talking about" feels disingenuous and misleading. Even what little we know of it so far is going to blow up the game. From what we know so far, Path of Exile 2 is absolutely the sort of rework you'd see in a video game sequel. Grinding Gear is simply going an extra dozen miles in retroactively back-hacking their sequel in to the original game in order to preserve your purchases and progress, rather than forcing you to build an MTX collection and a Standard backlog of testing gear all over again. They're being nicer than most companies are when developing a sequel and letting you keep your shit, despite that being significantly harder than starting from a clean slate.

3.0 aka Fall of Oriath was fucking HUGE.

Lol @ being nice and letting you keep your shit. Or, yknow, the other way of looking at it: being denied a proper sequel because a GAAS holds its devs hostage to long term updating and Ship of Theseus style overhauls.

But what would I know? I burned all my PoE shit and would gladly have given it up to play a proper sequel to PoE. Whales do be like that.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Or, yknow, the other way of looking at it: being denied a proper sequel...

Denied?

What would/could a "proper sequel" give you that a "fake sequel" can't? Like, in theory?

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Phrazz wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Or, yknow, the other way of looking at it: being denied a proper sequel...

Denied?

What would/could a "proper sequel" give you that a "fake sequel" can't? Like, in theory?

A new game dude, building on what they have learned these past 13 or so years. Sure, you can put PoE on a weight loss course but some damage is simply going to have lasting repercussions. Much better to just start over. You have read what I have said on this several times. Please don't make me repeat it.

The only reason they won't is because they can't. PoE is their sole earner and too many players have invested too much in it to allow for something truly new.

And that is why f2p GAAS is just bad for creative integrity and freedom. Great for making money though, which is why it's so huge. But you can't tell me PoE 4.0 has the same potential for GGG making something new and amazing as a proper, non-fake sequel.

So yeah. Denied is the word I use. I get giddy thinking about what sort of game the GGG devs could make if they took all they've learned, refining the good and not even mentioning the bad, and applied it to a premium ARPG product. I think going f2p was clever of them to establish capital and safety but the model is seriously holding them back now.



Fuck. You made me repeat it.

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鬼殺し wrote:

The only reason they won't is because they can't. PoE is their sole earner and too many players have invested too much in it to allow for something truly new.

I mean they could, they have already proven they can tide us over nicely with 3 devs making some cut and paste stuff while they work on something else - and have been working on said something else long enough that it could be anything.

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SerialF wrote:

people using the 4.0 is almost always to downplay how big an "update" this is. disrespectful to the devs. nobody following closely cares about the label if it s 4.0 or 2.

You says is disrespectful(LOL) just to contradict yourself right after saying nobody cares.

It IS the 4.0 update, if you have a problem with that ask GGG to make a sequel from scratch.

Again - most of the people who stridently push the 4.0 terminology are doing so in a deliberate attempt to dismiss the update as minoy, inconsequential, and unworthy of attention. They wish to suppress and eliminate discussion of Path of Exile 2, with claims that the expansion won't change anything or be worth the time taken away from Actually Important tasks like yet another attempt to make melee better.

This irritates and upsets a lot of folks, for whom Path 2 is a primary reason they're still here. I know I quit playing multiple leagues ago and wouldn't be back now if not for excitement over the potential of Path 2. This is Grinding Gear's chance to revitalize a tired old game that's been showing its age for years despite the development team's best efforts otherwise, and a LOT of people are hopeful and excited about that chance.

Consistently telling people that hope/excitement is false and bad is not going to go over well. The semantic truth of version numbering honestly doesn't matter. The truth people care about is whether Path 2 will make Path of Exile a newer, better game and improve the play experience in ways even 3.0 - y'know, the last "minor update" people liked to dismiss - didn't come anywhere close to approaching.

So yes. Nobody cares about the version numbering. What people care about is the grumpy grouchy grognards trying to tell them they're stupid and dumb for hoping Path 2 is the game-exploding update it's been promised to be.

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1453R wrote:

Again - most of the people who stridently push the 4.0 terminology are doing so in a deliberate attempt to dismiss the update as minoy, inconsequential, and unworthy of attention. They wish to suppress and eliminate discussion of Path of Exile 2, with claims that the expansion won't change anything or be worth the time taken away from Actually Important tasks like yet another attempt to make melee better.

LOL, you're pointing at something that isn't there.

Am I?

Tell me, Bauer. What would you prefer Grinding Gear be using development resources on, other than Path of Exile 2? If you were Chris Wilson for a day, where would you redeploy the PoE2 team and assets?