Bex Confirms ExileCon is the Jumping-Off Point for Path of Exile 2's Marketing

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Reid777 wrote:

First of all, there are no such things like "patch 4.0", "update 4.0" or "4.0 expansion". Those do not exists. There is Path of Exile 2 in the works. That's how developer/publisher decided to name their product.

What the devs do and say carry some weight, obviously, but as companies blur the lines between what is and isn't a sequel they no longer get to have 100% say in the matter. Prime example is Overwatch """2""" which in no way constitutes a sequel. Overwatch 1.25 at best. Ceding the language game to the devs as objective reality would be a disservice to the shitty actions they took both on their game and to the players. If a company's 'sequel' doesn't meet the basic requirements for a sequel they can take their press releases and shove them...in a dark place with no sunshine.

I don't think PoE2 is going to be that bad. Definitely a non-traditional sequel but we will see.

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Sarno wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

their own self-proclaimed sequel

I’ve been inspired by the Overwatch community.

It’s also Path of Exile. It’s clearly not a true sequel. It’s Path of Exile Two Too!

I missed this gem in the churn and I am very sorry for that. Poor OW players. They must be hating on DIV pretty hard right now. I actually bought it full price to play with an old HS friend and hated pretty much every minute of it (he's into Fork Knife and works roughly 10 billion hours a week so eh I get where he's at) so I am not totally ignorant to the situation. A premium product going f2p isn't unprecedented but doing it purely to skew full GAAS and then monetise a promised feature is all kindsa bullshit.

At least you know GGG won't do that. They don't have to. Their current model works juuuuuust fine. And I honestly believe Chris would burn Wraeclast to the ground before letting it have actual content gated by a pricetag. Gating quality of life for habitual users suffices. :)

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Also LOLhard at Diabloski copping shit for the 4.0 usage when it was me who started and perpetuated it. Path of Exile 4.0 was deemed too big and too signifcant to be a mere version update, especially since GGG now officially consider league updates 'expansions'. So for that reason and no doubt to compete with the actual new game Diablo IV (for which GGG staff were almost certainly head-hunted), Path of Exile 4.0 became Path of Exile 2. It is not at all a semantic argument to question and disagree with the validity of that change. It is, in fact, a substantial discussion on the game's core identity and whether or not it has finally left Diablo's shadow. To accept this renaming based on those factors is to let GGG manipulate you with slippery language and subtly change how players perceive their game -- hardly the first time but definitely the most obvious. Proof of this is how often people are mistaking it for...well, a new game. Will my mtxes carry over? That one cracks me up. As if GGG could afford to not. Would they ask the same question if GGG had been honest and kept the original 4.0 designation in marketing? Fucking of course not. So this isn't semantic. It is meaningful and important.


Go on, tell me I don't know what I'm talking about with any of this. Dare ya.

I thought 4.0 was official lmao I didn't even realise people had made it up, makes sense to me definitely shouldn't get stick for using it.

They can call it PoE2 but if PoE1 works on it then its 4.0 for PoE1.

Can we try to define ARPG next, and draw the line between RPG, ARGP, JRPG and so on?

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Pangaearocks wrote:

Can we try to define ARPG next, and draw the line between RPG, ARGP, JRPG and so on?

JRPG are games where I always save the best consumable items(megalixir) incase I need them, and when the game ends I never used one.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

I thought 4.0 was official lmao I didn't even realise people had made it up, makes sense to me definitely shouldn't get stick for using it.

They can call it PoE2 but if PoE1 works on it then its 4.0 for PoE1.

Well it's not "made up", it will actually be patch 4.0 that comes with the PoE2 campaign and all the extras.

Obviously GGG doesn't want to market it that way, and that's when C picked up on highlighting the non sequel-esque expansion that 4.0 is.

And then I proceed to get shit for it lol, when it makes perfect sense to me, follows GGG's previous patching pattern, and it is an expansion to the PoE1 infrastructure.

And for those that say 4.0 is a degeneration, or weaponized information that is twisted, are missing the point that it's actually true and real.

Again I suppose it doesn't really matter if the players react favorably though. So I guess we will just see.

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sumfight wrote:

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Pangaearocks wrote:

Can we try to define ARPG next, and draw the line between RPG, ARGP, JRPG and so on?

JRPG are games where I always save the best consumable items(megalixir) incase I need them, and when the game ends I never used one.

LOL its a great description, gonna use this one in the future

I suppose the issue, Darth, is that consistently denigrating and dismissing the Path of Exile 2 redux as "just 4.0, a minor expansion not really worth talking about" feels disingenuous and misleading. Even what little we know of it so far is going to blow up the game. From what we know so far, Path of Exile 2 is absolutely the sort of rework you'd see in a video game sequel. Grinding Gear is simply going an extra dozen miles in retroactively back-hacking their sequel in to the original game in order to preserve your purchases and progress, rather than forcing you to build an MTX collection and a Standard backlog of testing gear all over again. They're being nicer than most companies are when developing a sequel and letting you keep your shit, despite that being significantly harder than starting from a clean slate.

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1453R wrote:

I suppose the issue, Darth, is that consistently denigrating and dismissing the Path of Exile 2 redux as "just 4.0, a minor expansion not really worth talking about" feels disingenuous and misleading. Even what little we know of it so far is going to blow up the game. From what we know so far, Path of Exile 2 is absolutely the sort of rework you'd see in a video game sequel. Grinding Gear is simply going an extra dozen miles in retroactively back-hacking their sequel in to the original game in order to preserve your purchases and progress, rather than forcing you to build an MTX collection and a Standard backlog of testing gear all over again. They're being nicer than most companies are when developing a sequel and letting you keep your shit, despite that being significantly harder than starting from a clean slate.

Actually we dont know much, and that's on GGG, not the players. I'd say there is an equal chance, or potential, for players to come out of 4.0 asking "5 years of development and this is all we got?"

Not to mention all the pitfalls Draegnarr mentioned about dragging PoE1 along for the ride. It's possible that not having a true standalone sequel with an actual "new engine" ends up hurting what they can do moving forward. I suppose it's possible they could adjust, or remaster, or eventually legacy PoE1, but I think it's problematic as it stands (console too btw)

I've never said it's a minor expansion, or not worth talking about. It's major, but it's accurate to call it what it is. In fact Id love to talk more about it, but information on PoE2 is being held like the Manhattan Project. Would an FAQ sticky, or a quarterly update really be so difficult? It's just odd man.

If you don't think people, who are not as plugged in, will be surprised PoE2 isn't actually PoE2, you are kidding yourself. If anyone is being disengenous, imo it's GGG marketing on PoE2.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

I thought 4.0 was official lmao I didn't even realise people had made it up, makes sense to me definitely shouldn't get stick for using it.

They can call it PoE2 but if PoE1 works on it then its 4.0 for PoE1.

It's not made up. POE 2 IS the 4.0 update, that's how GGG called it for years before exilecon 2019, and it's more accurate than POE 2, considering it's not a sequel.