Bex Confirms ExileCon is the Jumping-Off Point for Path of Exile 2's Marketing

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Foreverhappychan wrote:


I have no beef with how long 4.0 is taking. Obviously. I don't care how much they want to change. My argument is much simpler: don't call it Path of Exile 2 unless it is a new game, my parameters for which exist within this thread and others. Don't play marketing tricks. Don't dismiss the validity of 2.0 and 3.0 as major milestones. Don't confuse players for the sake of trying to compete with a non-competitor -- or acknowledge said competitor and think long and hard why they are now competitors. How could this poor little community escape the DIV vs PoE2 trap when GGG themselves essentially set it up?

Set it up and then didn't bring something genuinely new to the table, just a lot of upgraded and expanded old with a sticker that says NEW!


This is basically where I'm at also.

I would say that the longer they do wait however, runs the increasing risk that D4 improves to the point that the player PoE2 hopes to invite back, doesnt see the worth. (Not the 20-30% that will play regardless)

That said if 4.0 isn't ready, it isn't ready.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
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1453R wrote:
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bauermayers wrote:


What does that got to do with anything?


Has to do with the fact that, as I said, many of the people pushing the 4.0 terminology are doing so as part of an effort to dismiss Path 2. They want players to stop talking about it, and they want Grinding Gear to stop working on it. To simply abandon the project altogether in favor of endless chase-their-tails tweaks to Path of Exile 1. "Stop wasting time on 4.0 and make melee better", "stop wasting time on 4.0 and fix loot", "stop wasting time on 4.0 and do frictionless trade already", stop wasting time on 4.0 and..."

So what's yours? What's the chasing-tail PoE1 tweak you'd have them permanently abandon all production and development of Path 2 to jump on instead?


Ok, we're walking in circles here. You already said the exact same thing before, so my original answer still stands. I'll just add that, like any conspiracy theory, yours have no evidence to back it up.

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DarthSki44 wrote:
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Foreverhappychan wrote:


I have no beef with how long 4.0 is taking. Obviously. I don't care how much they want to change. My argument is much simpler: don't call it Path of Exile 2 unless it is a new game, my parameters for which exist within this thread and others. Don't play marketing tricks. Don't dismiss the validity of 2.0 and 3.0 as major milestones. Don't confuse players for the sake of trying to compete with a non-competitor -- or acknowledge said competitor and think long and hard why they are now competitors. How could this poor little community escape the DIV vs PoE2 trap when GGG themselves essentially set it up?

Set it up and then didn't bring something genuinely new to the table, just a lot of upgraded and expanded old with a sticker that says NEW!


This is basically where I'm at also.

I would say that the longer they do wait however, runs the increasing risk that D4 improves to the point that the player PoE2 hopes to invite back, doesnt see the worth. (Not the 20-30% that will play regardless)

That said if 4.0 isn't ready, it isn't ready.


Just like Diablo "4" is actually Diablo 3.5. If we take a critical look at the latest installment, it brings zero positive novelties to the genre.

Diablo 4 is getting annihilated on the "doesnt scale to your level" rpgcodex because of its lack of any meaningful gameplay.

Diablo 4 is to Path of Exile like the "Greedy Triangle" is to Newton's Principia. They are both math books but one has a bigger audience than the other.

I know there are extremely frustrated people on these forums who love to see Path of Exile burn (although they themselves will deny it).

The money-driven purpose of AAA-studios produces below-quality games for mass appeal to maximize revenue. If you are seeking for a game that goes the extra mile, you will be looking for quite some time, these days. Providing complex gameplay automatically limits your game to a niche audience.
Heart of Purity

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POE 2 is designed primarily for console.
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鬼殺し wrote:


A new game dude, building on what they have learned these past 13 or so years. Sure, you can put PoE on a weight loss course but some damage is simply going to have lasting repercussions. Much better to just start over. You have read what I have said on this several times. Please don't make me repeat it.


So all that supporter money should have been funelled into an exclusive stand-alone game that you could play offline, just to PLEASE you.


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鬼殺し wrote:


The only reason they won't is because they can't. PoE is their sole earner and too many players have invested too much in it to allow for something truly new.


Of course too many people have invested into the game to just throw it all aside. They don't want to feel they have been "used" to create an entirely different game.

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鬼殺し wrote:

And that is why f2p GAAS is just bad for creative integrity and freedom. Great for making money though, which is why it's so huge. But you can't tell me PoE 4.0 has the same potential for GGG making something new and amazing as a proper, non-fake sequel.


Your reasoning that GAAS somehow hinders creativity but a stand-alone offline game not, makes no sense. You surely had no problems with GAAS in 2012.

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鬼殺し wrote:

So yeah. Denied is the word I use. I get giddy thinking about what sort of game the GGG devs could make if they took all they've learned, refining the good and not even mentioning the bad, and applied it to a premium ARPG product. I think going f2p was clever of them to establish capital and safety but the model is seriously holding them back now.


I get giddy thinking which games we would get if we were not constrained by consoles. This current multiplatform model is surely holding pc games back.







Fuck. You made me repeat it.[/quote]
Heart of Purity

Awarded 'Silverblade' to Talent Competition Winner 2020.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFO4E5OKSE
POE 2 is designed primarily for console.
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Reinhart wrote:
I get giddy thinking which games we would get if we were not constrained by consoles. This current multiplatform model is surely holding pc games back.
Developers have always been free to make PC-only games if that’s what they want to do. They're not constrained by consoles; consoles have no literally no power over them.

They're constrained by having to pay the rent. If we could enact solutions to that, it really would be something to feel giddy over.
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Reinhart wrote:


Diablo 4 is getting annihilated on the "doesnt scale to your level" rpgcodex because of its lack of any meaningful gameplay.


This is a flat out impossible take. None of the evidence both empirical, and anecdotal, support this claim.

D4 is logging hundreds of millions of hours played, amongst millions of individual players.

I fucking cannot put the game down, and I've only played on one character.

No meaningful gameplay? What is so meaningful in whatever game you are playing?

Bottom line is: "Is D4 fun?". Hell yes, especially w/friends. "Is there enough to do?". If gaming isn't your life, yes. "Are you excited for season 1 and future content?". Abso-fucking-loutely.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Jun 29, 2023, 5:02:12 PM
Diablo IV is Diablo 3.5?!

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Reinhart, please don't try to engage me; I was replying to Phrazz, clearly. Your views on DIV and gaming in general to me range from myopic and antiquated to straight-up wrong. Thanks in advance for your consideration regarding this suggestion that we do not waste each other's time. I will just iterate my desire that PoE 4.0 brings you as much joy and happiness as DIV did for me and certain others here. Be it on PC or console. You deserve that much for your long time devotion to GGG and PoE. Bye now.

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Last edited by 鬼殺し#7371 on Jun 29, 2023, 7:55:54 PM
"You have wrong opinions"
way to go
Views, not opinions. That said, there are some opinions that can be wrong -- specifically, those that don't realise they aren't objective and universal truths. It can be a true and right opinion that one game feels better or worse than another to you; it cannot be a true or right opinion that one game IS objectively better or worse than another. Then it is either a fact or a falsehood. Once you start asserting absolutes, you are declaring your opinion as fact. You better be ready to prove said fact or just be called "wrong".

And if your proof comes down to nothing more how you feel, well, that's just inadequate. Thus, your view is wrong. But your opinion is yours to retain and no one can tell you it's wrong. Just as long as you remember: it's just an opinion without any real basis beyond that which you are comfortable believing. Harmless, as I said.

At least, that's my opinion.

Alright, enough word games. Phrazz, you have what you asked for.
The name says it all.
Last edited by 鬼殺し#7371 on Jun 30, 2023, 8:57:18 AM
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鬼殺し wrote:
Phrazz, you have what you asked for.


Not at all; still waiting for those examples.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.

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