Bex Confirms ExileCon is the Jumping-Off Point for Path of Exile 2's Marketing

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Reid777 wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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ongZ wrote:

And you are right, you are fighting a pure semantics battle by now. Pretty annoying actually, would be nice if you just stopped.

Yeah, I agree, it is wildly annoying, hence why I indicated it doesn't matter anymore to me. It's not my fight. I don't much care if people don't know its 4.0, etc... I have nothing to gain here by trying to clear things up.

Ignorance truly is bliss it seems.

Let's be honest, you never fought misinformation, you actually spread it.

First of all, there are no such things like "patch 4.0", "update 4.0" or "4.0 expansion". Those do not exists. There is Path of Exile 2 in the works. That's how developer/publisher decided to name their product.

Second, in every post you tried to "control misinformation", you extensively tried to diminish what PoE 2 brings to the game. You basically ignored 90% of features that are know to be in PoE2. Then for the ones you couldn't ignore, you decided to intentionally downplay their value or importance (like the visuals part and nonsense engine discussion).

Only think you do here is expressing negativity against the game and trying to put developers work in a bad light.

They said that it is poe patch 4.0 but decided to call it PoE 2

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Yeah, I agree, it is wildly annoying

It's easy to call out "semantics" when your claims are being challenged. I don't care about the semantics here. I have no idea if the PoE 4.0 engine can be considered "new" or not, based on the work and updates they have done on it. I really do not know. You make direct claims that it is NOT new, while others claim that it IS new. I just want to know how any of you know enough about it to claim anything. Isn't this an act of misinformation? Camouflaging things as "facts" when you really have no idea about the amount of changes done to an engine?

When it comes to PoE 2 / PoE 4.0 and whatever people choose to view it as, you can just link to the 2019 Exilecon where GGG talked about the naming scheme, and why they chose to call it PoE 2. We "all know" it isn't a new game. Are there enough changes/updates/tweaking to make it seem (and play) like a new game, and sort of justify the naming scheme? That is the most important question.

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imanubcake wrote:

They said that it is poe patch 4.0 but decided to call it PoE 2

Which was in 2019, so years ago, will be probably 5 when PoE2 actually releases. Since that time in all official communication it has been referred to as PoE2. Some people are leaving really deep in the past.

"4.0 patch/update/expansions/whatever" name is basically only used in derogatory manner, by some begrudged, burned-out players, yet for whatever reason still regular users of those forums. Which actually is really sad.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Yeah, I agree, it is wildly annoying

It's easy to call out "semantics" when your claims are being challenged. I don't care about the semantics here. I have no idea if the PoE 4.0 engine can be considered "new" or not, based on the work and updates they have done on it. I really do not know. You make direct claims that it is NOT new, while others claim that it IS new. I just want to know how any of you know enough about it to claim anything. Isn't this an act of misinformation? Camouflaging things as "facts" when you really have no idea about the amount of changes done to an engine?

When it comes to PoE 2 / PoE 4.0 and whatever people choose to view it as, you can just link to the 2019 Exilecon where GGG talked about the naming scheme, and why they chose to call it PoE 2. We "all know" it isn't a new game. Are there enough changes/updates/tweaking to make it seem (and play) like a new game, and sort of justify the naming scheme? That is the most important question.

The discussion about the engine being new or not is really just pointless when the engine is actively being updated. Every time they do an update to the engine (which they maintain), it's effectively something new. As long as it is actively getting better, that's all that really matters. What constitutes enough of a change to be new when it's an actively updated engine? I don't know. Who cares?

Agreed on POE2 and POE 4.0. That's purely marketing and they're the same thing. Another discussion to throw into the "who cares" bucket as far I'm concerned.

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Nubatron wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Yeah, I agree, it is wildly annoying

It's easy to call out "semantics" when your claims are being challenged. I don't care about the semantics here. I have no idea if the PoE 4.0 engine can be considered "new" or not, based on the work and updates they have done on it. I really do not know. You make direct claims that it is NOT new, while others claim that it IS new. I just want to know how any of you know enough about it to claim anything. Isn't this an act of misinformation? Camouflaging things as "facts" when you really have no idea about the amount of changes done to an engine?

When it comes to PoE 2 / PoE 4.0 and whatever people choose to view it as, you can just link to the 2019 Exilecon where GGG talked about the naming scheme, and why they chose to call it PoE 2. We "all know" it isn't a new game. Are there enough changes/updates/tweaking to make it seem (and play) like a new game, and sort of justify the naming scheme? That is the most important question.

The discussion about the engine being new or not is really just pointless when the engine is actively being updated. Every time they do an update to the engine (which they maintain), it's effectively something new. As long as it is actively getting better, that's all that really matters. What constitutes enough of a change to be new when it's an actively updated engine? I don't know. Who cares?

Agreed on POE2 and POE 4.0. That's purely marketing and they're the same thing. Another discussion to throw into the "who cares" bucket as far I'm concerned.

For clarity, from a purely objective standpoint, attempting not to take sides (as it's clear what I think), can we at least acknowledge there is a difference between a stand alone game, and one that is patched as an expansion? PoE2, and PoE 4.0 are the same in marketing to GGG no doubt, I agree, but is it the same to player expectations? That's the question really. Are players expecting a new game or a patch? When they log into the same account on the same server, and share with PoE1 in the selection screen, will they be surprised?That's fair to ask I think.

As far as the engine goes. An upgrade or tweak is new, I won't dispute that, thats logical. But that doesn't convey the context of what a new engine is here. Hell the "new" engine won't even be global to the whole game. It's a difficult arguement to make imo. That half the game has one engine upgrade and the other half doesn't (To our knowledge PoE1 campaign isnt being remastered) Perhaps that's just me being too technical, so Im willing to concede, especially if the engine changes end up being global. The that's a fair debate.

Anyways I agree with the "who cares" summary. I came to that realization yesterday. I'm getting flat earth / QAnon vibes from some people posting, and it's not worth getting baited. (Like I made up 4.0 and it doesn't exist lol)

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DarthSki44 wrote:

For clarity, from a purely objective standpoint, attempting not to take sides (as it's clear what I think), can we at least acknowledge there is a difference between a stand alone game, and one that is patched as an expansion? PoE2, and PoE 4.0 are the same in marketing to GGG no doubt, I agree, but is it the same to player expectations? That's the question really. Are players expecting a new game or a patch? When they log into the same account on the same server, and share with PoE1 in the selection screen, will they be surprised?That's fair to ask I think.

As far as the engine goes. An upgrade or tweak is new, I won't dispute that, thats logical. But that doesn't convey the context of what a new engine is here. Hell the "new" engine won't even be global to the whole game. It's a difficult arguement to make imo. That half the game has one engine upgrade and the other half doesn't (To our knowledge PoE1 campaign isnt being remastered) Perhaps that's just me being too technical, so Im willing to concede, especially if the engine changes end up being global. The that's a fair debate.

Anyways I agree with the "who cares" summary. I came to that realization yesterday. I'm getting flat earth / QAnon vibes from some people posting, and it's not worth getting baited. (Like I made up 4.0 and it doesn't exist lol)

I'm not sure why you have come to the conclusion that the two campaigns will run on separate engines. I'm all but positive that you can't run two engines in one game; and even if you could, it's not pragmatic because maintaining two engines is not a great choice for a small company (or even a large company?). The two campaigns will likely run on the same engine because that's the logical conclusion as they are the same game. As for remastering, the only thing that I think will stand out is the assets between the old campaign and the new. It's not clear if they will enhance the older assets, or just leave them as is.

POE2 was a mistake. I said that at the time they said it and I maintain that stance to this day. It's confusing for people that have played the game a long time. Newcomers have no chance in understanding what that means. Once it is released, it will become clear quickly and not matter in hindsight, but right now it just muddies the waters. It was a marketing ploy as POE2 sounds shinier than POE 4.0. I don't know if calling it a patch is sufficient though. Reaper of Souls was a patch, but I don't see anyone calling it a patch. 4.0 is a major expansion with huge changes to game systems, an added campaign, completely new equipment and I think added ascendancies. This is probably the largest release POE has ever had, including the original release. Calling it a patch feels just as misleading as calling it POE2.

So if something doesn't come with a new installer, it is not a new game?

See it like this: Path of Exile 2 will be a new installer and as bonus you get the first campaign with it. Just like Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition launched with Horders of the Underdark, Shadows of Undrentide and the original campaign.

New game contains new gameplay features, new builds and a brand new campaign.

PoE2 is a new game, PoE1 is the free DLC/xpac you get with it :-^)

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Nubatron wrote:

I'm not sure why you have come to the conclusion that the two campaigns will run on separate engines. I'm all but positive that you can't run two engines in one game; and even if you could, it's not pragmatic because maintaining two engines is not a great choice for a small company (or even a large company?). The two campaigns will likely run on the same engine because that's the logical conclusion as they are the same game. As for remastering, the only thing that I think will stand out is the assets between the old campaign and the new. It's not clear if they will enhance the older assets, or just leave them as is.

The latter half of what you said is what I'm talkng about. There won't be two engines, I didnt say that, (and it wouldn't work), but rather large parts of the game that are not being optimized with the "new" engine upgrades.

I suppose its possible they go back to the older PoE1 content and enhance, but I doubt it. This is what I meant by the engine itself not being new, which presumably would include all the game, not just a sections of it, or specific models/assets.

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Reinhart wrote:

So if something doesn't come with a new installer, it is not a new game?

See it like this: Path of Exile 2 will be a new installer and as bonus you get the first campaign with it. Just like Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition launched with Horders of the Underdark, Shadows of Undrentide and the original campaign.

New game contains new gameplay features, new builds and a brand new campaign.

So next year if D4 introduces Paladin in larger expansion, with some new weapons, items, and quests, they can call it D5? Lol cmon.