What do you think about the fact that Diablo 4 has copied POE wholesale?

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Phrazz wrote:

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yamface wrote:

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esostaks wrote:

4.2/10 player rating on Metacritic.

d3 has a 88/100 metacritic rating... its higher than poe :|

"Player rating". I couldn't care less about IGN and Gamespot's reviews.

player rating means nothing

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yamface wrote:

player rating means nothing

Ok

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Phrazz wrote:

Ok

Ok

Who came first ? The chicken or the egg ?

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Nubatron wrote:

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zakalwe55 wrote:

I think it is great and I hope to add Diablo 4 to my arpg rotation along with POE and Torchlight Infinite. I don't want to play a single game for 3 to 4 months straight.

I was a little worried about the reviews for Torchlight. It sounded like characters and progression were heavily locked behind a paywall that is a moving target each season; meaning things that worked last season will be outdated and new things will need to be purchased to remain competitive.

Just curious how you experienced the game in that aspect?

I couldn't bring myself to try it because of that. Is it still worth giving a go? I have a few weeks before the POE league starts and not much to do in the meantime (the upcoming events are not suited for single players).

Some characters are locked behind a paywall. They will be available for free a few months down the line. Progression is not locked behind a paywall. You can grind for 16 hours a day everyday and not hit a paywall in progression. Lighter player trading might hinder progression now this late into the season.

Overpowered meta builds got nerfed in Season 2. Hmm, I think the changes between Season 1 and Season 2 are still less than the changes between POE leagues. Auction house stash tabs need to be purchased each season. Players get 1 free auction house stash tab. Having more auction house stash tabs is better, right? But hey, Torchlight Infinite has an auction house! For Season 2, a tax system was implemented to slow down some of that item price inflation.

You can check out the community on the official discord:
https://discord.gg/torchlight

In the crows corner section, players can ask questions directly to the dev team and get answers the next week. Pretty nice!

I think TI is worth a go if you haven't tried it yet. I wouldn't worry too much about reviews. It is free to try and experience for yourself. If you play POE, TI is very familiar.

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zakalwe55 wrote:

Some characters are locked behind a paywall. They will be available for free a few months down the line. Progression is not locked behind a paywall. You can grind for 16 hours a day everyday and not hit a paywall in progression. Lighter player trading might hinder progression now this late into the season.

Overpowered meta builds got nerfed in Season 2. Hmm, I think the changes between Season 1 and Season 2 is still less than the changes between POE leagues. Auction house stash tabs need to be purchased each season. Players get 1 free auction house stash tab. Having more auction house stash tabs is better, right? But hey, Torchlight Infinite has an auction house! For Season 2, a tax system was implemented to slow down some of that item price inflation.

You can check out the community on the official discord:
https://discord.com/channels/891910071800463370/1032481423321473024


In the crows corner section, players can ask questions directly to the dev team and get answers the next week. How about that?

I think TI is worth a go if you haven't tried it yet. I wouldn't worry too much about reviews. It is free to try and experience for yourself. If you play POE, TI is very familiar.

Cool, thanks. Maybe I'll give it a shot while waiting on the April release.

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yamface wrote:

player rating means nothing

I guess ratings of game journalists who struggle to get past the tutorial level of a game is of a higher value.

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iuiulitza wrote:

Who came first ? The chicken or the egg ?

Back on topic, the premise of this thread is ridiculous. POE is largely based on D2, so it "copied" Diablo first. I also think D4 copying POE is ridiculous as well considering the trajectory they took with D3, and the known things about D4 like open world design, world bosses and MMO like events. That doesn't sound like POE (or D2) at all.

I don't think it's a chicken or an egg. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's an..... MMO? :)

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esostaks wrote:

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yamface wrote:

player rating means nothing

I guess ratings of game journalists who struggle to get past the tutorial level of a game is of a higher value.

they are. not because they are high quality or anything, but because the only other rating, the player rating, is worthless

players generally cant even agree on a consistent rating scale, and they will commonly rate bomb games for reasons that are irrelevant to the actual game itself like say i dunno.. internal blizzard drama. on paper, player rating sounds like the best route to use, but due to misuse and abuse, it has become worthless. at least professional reviews are done on consistently defined rating scales and they dont randomly bomb ratings for stupid shit thats irrelevant to the gameplay itself.

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Nubatron wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

One word: insecurity.

It's not great when someone's opinion is so fragile that it can't withstand someone else having a contrary opinion. The internet is littered with that though. I have a lot more luck with in-person conversations than on the internet in terms of disagreements.

Isn't the whole idea of a discussion to discuss, see different opinions and experience other people's perspective? If every argument or opinion have to be based on numbers and popularity, a discussion would be a sad thing.

You might want to put discussion as "discussion" :)

I guess I'm being a bit insincere though. I've had plenty of disagreements with some individuals on this forum with productive outcomes including changing my perspective on plenty of occasions -- including my view on stash tabs in the F2P vs. P2W discussion: I now believe POE is neither in practical terms whereas before I was a staunch believer it was F2P as an example.

You've certainly shaped my opinion on the state of melee on quite a few occasions.

You know the saying about a few bad apples? I guess I let the bad apples color my opinion a bit on the state of discussions here.

That's not fair, at all. The folks that bring up good points on D3 and Blizzard have a rough go at it here in GD. Perhaps being on the PoE forums discussing Diablo, and expecting a reasonable debate was folly from the beginning. Frankly it's a hostile environment.

Unfortunately we apparently were already starting from a standpoint of D3 not being good here, so in order to further that along, points had to be made why this obviously wasn't the case. And then that ultimately escalates to, sure it was successful, lots of crap is. How is anyone, that say idk, likes Diablo, supposed to counter in an actual discussion of elements in the game when the premise is that it's trash to start off?

It's also super disingenuous to go from extreme to extreme. That D3 is the candy crush of arpgs, A Marvel Movie without substance, and PoE is some obscure Oscar winning film that no one saw but a few people in Italy. PoE has PLENTY of fucking problems, many of which are significant.

Meh anyways what does it matter? D4 will do extremely well, and some here will just say that lots of popular trash does well so who cares. It's frustrating and exhausting. Maybe it's not even worth it on this topic anymore, because I am starting to tilt a bit. Like being told things Im seeing with my own eyes aren't true, this "live you own truth" mantra that so prevalent today, that ignores the reality of situations.