What do you think about the fact that Diablo 4 has copied POE wholesale?

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DarthSki44 wrote:
my opinion....again.

Well of course it's your opinion, and it's you writing your own posts. We shouldn't have to say imo every sentence.

Now that's out of the way.

I find it very ironic that you bring up insecurity when you do anything to downplay the success of D3.

I suppose it makes sense however, because how could someone rationalize millions enjoying something they do not? Minimize and Strawman like you do so often. "It's candy crush". I mean cmon.

Bottom line, its one simple thing. You didn't like D3, and/or the Diablo franchise any longer. That puts you in an extreme minority percentage wise, no matter how vigorous the attempts to validate.

Hate on D3, but not the players, or make things up to try an strengthen an argument that is purely emotional.


I think you're confused. If you check my post history, you'll find that I've said it was wildly successful from a revenue perspective, which is also the metric you use to make your argument quite often, so at the least we agree on that point.

Every downside of Diablo post that I've made was in regard to my opinion of the game, including my posts in this thread. Feel free to scour my post history to try to prove me wrong but be sure to check context before you decide you think got me in a gotcha moment. I don't think you'll find anything. In fact, you'll find that I enjoyed D3 briefly and outside of the context of D2, it was an okay game. It's in the context of D2 that I think it fell short and also why I paid for the game in the first place. I felt let down by D3 because of D2, and won't be making the mistake again on D4. There are a lot of games I can enjoy, but I bought D3 expecting improvements from D2 -- as you can already tell, in that aspect it was a huge disappointment.

Was it a success for me? Nope, because I was expecting the successor of D2, not a WoW arcade like game. I think that's where you get confused. You can't seem to separate the subjectivity of it not being a success for me and the game being a success for others. You might want to bolster your insecurities and accept that not everyone liked Diablo 3, and POE doesn't need to be as successful in terms of revenue to be considered a good game.

Just to help again, this is all my opinion.

EDIT: One additional thing to understand is the revenue for D3 includes me. So that metric includes people who were not happy with the game. That's why it's important to note that it can be successful from a revenue standpoint, but not from an individual standpoint. Maybe that helps clear things up.
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DarthSki44 wrote:


I find it very ironic that you bring up insecurity when you do anything to downplay the success of D3.


Again what is success? No doubt it's a financial success for Blizzard who made huge profit due to their name just like with any other piece of garbage they released since D3.

4.2/10 player rating on Metacritic. And what millions of players are you even talking about? The latest D3 season is not even a month old and it has ~17k online, while PoE's league is close to an end, and it has the same playercount on Steam.

So basically company's financial success matters more than players' satisfaction with the game?

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I think it is great and I hope to add Diablo 4 to my arpg rotation along with POE and Torchlight Infinite. I don't want to play a single game for 3 to 4 months straight.
8 mod maps are the new alch and go.
What has the world come to, when it seems illegal to have negative opinions about popular things. Hell, Furious 7 is the 11th highest grossing movie of all time, am I not allowed to think it's a crap film? What about the 12th place; Top Gun: Maverick? I think that's a crap movie too. Am I guilting people liking those movies right now?

But OK. If every debate, discussion or argument should be based on worldwide popularity, there wouldn't be many discussion forums out there. Nah, Furious 7 is a better movie than Shawshank Redemption. Sigh...
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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zakalwe55 wrote:
I think it is great and I hope to add Diablo 4 to my arpg rotation along with POE and Torchlight Infinite. I don't want to play a single game for 3 to 4 months straight.


I was a little worried about the reviews for Torchlight. It sounded like characters and progression were heavily locked behind a paywall that is a moving target each season; meaning things that worked last season will be outdated and new things will need to be purchased to remain competitive.

Just curious how you experienced the game in that aspect?

I couldn't bring myself to try it because of that. Is it still worth giving a go? I have a few weeks before the POE league starts and not much to do in the meantime (the upcoming events are not suited for single players).
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Phrazz wrote:
What has the world come to, when it seems illegal to have negative opinions about popular things. Hell, Furious 7 is the 11th highest grossing movie of all time, am I not allowed to think it's a crap film? What about the 12th place; Top Gun: Maverick? I think that's a crap movie too. Am I guilting people liking those movies right now?

But OK. If every debate, discussion or argument should be based on worldwide popularity, there wouldn't be many discussion forums out there. Nah, Furious 7 is a better movie than Shawshank Redemption. Sigh...


One word: insecurity.

It's not great when someone's opinion is so fragile that it can't withstand someone else having a contrary opinion. The internet is littered with that though. I have a lot more luck with in-person conversations than on the internet in terms of disagreements.
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Nubatron wrote:
One word: insecurity.

It's not great when someone's opinion is so fragile that it can't withstand someone else having a contrary opinion. The internet is littered with that though. I have a lot more luck with in-person conversations than on the internet in terms of disagreements.


Isn't the whole idea of a discussion to discuss, see different opinions and experience other people's perspective? If every argument or opinion have to be based on numbers and popularity, a discussion would be a sad thing.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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esostaks wrote:
4.2/10 player rating on Metacritic.


d3 has a 88/100 metacritic rating... its higher than poe :|
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yamface wrote:
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esostaks wrote:
4.2/10 player rating on Metacritic.


d3 has a 88/100 metacritic rating... its higher than poe :|


"Player rating". I couldn't care less about IGN and Gamespot's reviews.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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Phrazz wrote:
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Nubatron wrote:
One word: insecurity.

It's not great when someone's opinion is so fragile that it can't withstand someone else having a contrary opinion. The internet is littered with that though. I have a lot more luck with in-person conversations than on the internet in terms of disagreements.


Isn't the whole idea of a discussion to discuss, see different opinions and experience other people's perspective? If every argument or opinion have to be based on numbers and popularity, a discussion would be a sad thing.


You might want to put discussion as "discussion" :)

I guess I'm being a bit insincere though. I've had plenty of disagreements with some individuals on this forum with productive outcomes including changing my perspective on plenty of occasions -- including my view on stash tabs in the F2P vs. P2W discussion: I now believe POE is neither in practical terms whereas before I was a staunch believer it was F2P as an example.

You've certainly shaped my opinion on the state of melee on quite a few occasions.

You know the saying about a few bad apples? I guess I let the bad apples color my opinion a bit on the state of discussions here.
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