What do you think about the fact that Diablo 4 has copied POE wholesale?
" You seem really stuck on whether D3 is good or bad. And whether D3 was or was not successful. First and foremost, good and bad are subjective. Once you come to that understanding, you'll realize that you can't win this point. There is no winning. A good game and a bad game are a personal feeling and somehow trying to make it otherwise is going to be a permanent source of frustration for you if you keep pushing the good/bad discussion and insisting you're right. Here is the thing, we're both right for how we feel about D3. Where one of us went off the rails was assuming they were universally correct and accused the other of guilting others by expressing their personal opinion on the matter. Also, I have no doubt D4 will make a lot of money. That seems to be the most important metric to you. So perhaps we can close the conversation there in that we both agree D4 revenue will do very well. You'll call that success. I won't actually call that much anything because I'll likely never try the game. But yes, I'm sure it will make it a lot of money. Maybe you can call that a victory in that we agree on that point? If you have your sights set on me saying that D3 was a game that would inspire me to buy D4, well I wouldn't hold your breath. Last edited by Nubatron on Mar 14, 2023, 6:12:49 PM
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" Well, we can agree to disagree which ratings are more objective. For me personally, player ratings are working perfectly - there's been only a few times when I disliked a game that was highly rated by fellow gamers and vice versa. While professional critics' opinion mean nothing for me for more than 10 years now, and it's true for all types of media. For example, they'll rate a movie based on how many hidden messages it has instead of the actual consumer experience and entertainment/fun value which is the thing I care the most. I've played D3 before I picked up PoE, and found it shallow and bleak, and player rating shows that I'm not the only one. | |
" If only :p Player and professional reviews are the same, you have to know the basis for their review preference before you can form any opinion on whether to apply it to whether you yourself would enjoy something or not. They still tank things for irrelevant reasons and avoid coverage or deliberately go for those because they generate traffic. Best reviewers are when you know they like the same type of games as you and they say this is a banger. |
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" That's reductive no? To the point of intentionally misleading? Of course copies sold represent a figure in terms of revenue, but that's how every single pay to play AAA game works. EVERY ONE. Its a fairly universal industry standard. That's their main revenue stream (minus whatever the cash shop will have) So yes if D4 makes money it's because it sold many copies. Thats good right? Or what is your point? That how many D4 has sold doesn't matter? Or what is the measurement for "success" here on D4 for you? Wait for Kotaku to tell you what they think? Maybe Quin? (Or whatever streamer?) Or is it simply not possible? What metrics do matter then, because I'm not understanding where you are going hers? If we are waiting for subjective and bias reviews and emotional responses as a measurement for success, that's not something I'm onbaord with. Surely facts & data mean something? Does player concurrency, retention, mtx sales, and GGG annual revenue not mean anything either? I'd argue that's illogical. So if that's your overall premise, that metrics don't matter, and all that does is how specific individuals feel emotionally about the game then yeah I agree, the discussion on this is dead. Diablo or PoE sucks because I say so, and that's how I feel about the game isn't super convincing tbh. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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"ur out and a billion npc will join x'D "Now all that's left is for you getting on your knees."
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" So? Forspoken sold many copies, and was trashed by players and the studio got closed down. Cyberpunk sold many copies because CD Projekt RED made a name for themselves with Witcher, and we all know how well that turned out. There are plenty of examples really. The actual measurement is overall reception. | |
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...cyberpunk came good and forspoken did not sell that many copies.
Other than those small details I guess you're right. Why is the current chat of GD in a blatant troll thread? Guys. :( https://linktr.ee/wjameschan -- everything I've ever done worth talking about, and even that is debatable. Last edited by Foreverhappychan on Mar 14, 2023, 8:14:22 PM
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" Most threads in GD are trolling of some sort. We have to fill the time somehow. There isn’t a lot of good discussion to be had at this point in the league as you can see. So why not feed the trolls to fill the time? Last edited by Nubatron on Mar 14, 2023, 9:28:14 PM
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" Well my responses are being removed so I’ll just say good day to you and I hope you enjoy D4. | |
" Perhaps it's for the best anyways, what did either of us really hope to accomplish with the other? We didn't get much out of yesterday's back and forth tbh. I was clearly annoyed, so I'm thinking maybe I refrain from more involved Diablo discussions. Its going to come up for sure over the coming weeks and months prior to launch, but people are pretty set in their camps. I will attempt be more measured, and focus on D4. GD has been really sparse and boring lately, so discretion probably is the better part of valor rather than getting trolled, baited, or otherwise wasting my (or anyone's time). "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44 on Mar 15, 2023, 9:35:33 AM
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