Corona virus

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Well, there's one more person who has pretty much zero chance of contributing meaningfully to this discussion.

Ouch, man, c'mon. Don't lump me in with all of you guys.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

What, they don't have TVs or internet? How can they not know what is going on?

Because like 2% of people tops actually look into things. It's not like it's being shoved in people's faces, if you don't actively attempt to learn about it the most you could possibly know is it exists.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

What, they don't have TVs or internet? How can they not know what is going on?

I had a fairly uncomfortable discussion about this with my best friend on the phone today. He's very fit, very ambitious, quite successful as an owner of a small but elite web design business. He will also be the best man at my now delayed wedding, and frankly he took a lot of convincing how serious this is a few weeks ago. A few weeks ago, when I was only considering cancelling my US wedding trip -- we were really worried about affecting guests who had booked bigger trips around the event, all that. You know, back when that was a choice.

Anyway, he calls to check on me. And when I start talking about how things are, how badly we've handled it as a country, he's really ignorant. I start to berate him, but -- and this is very rare -- he lost his temper with me. He has to think about his business and his employees. He's treading water and desperate for ideas, directions for his business that can help him keep his business going. Because his business is largely retail, food service, that sort of thing. They tend to need websites, and right now they're being shut down, hard. So with that on his mind 24/7, he doesn't really have time or room to watch the news that much.

I apologised. I am in a privileged position financially, and we both know it. I can afford to sit here, scanning various sites, twitter, reddit, all that. So I explained to him what things are like elsewhere. How the US and the UK are handling it. Why our schools are still open (sigh). The fact that Australians are great at reacting but we truly suck at proactivity, and how that's really putting us at the very bottom of the list in terms of appropriate response. He took it in, but we soon moved back to brainstorming ways to keep him and his people employed. After all, we don't have much fallback here for a massive, well-coordinated compensation package for the suddenly unemployed hordes.

So that's how I can believe people here might be...distracted from the basic reality of things. We've been raised very capitalist, take care of yourself, unless told outright to do otherwise. And even when told otherwise, the immediate question is: how? You want us to lock down, and still pay bills, shop for food, medication, keep our employees paid, and so on? Right now, this is where we are. Struggling to interpret what we're being told by a government that is reacting days, sometimes weeks too late, and giving 'advice' that is barely feasible with no guidance or assistance.

Maybe it would have been better to lie about the disease and to artificially balloon the death rate so people would be scared and wont constantly break quarantine. Its too late now but maybe in the future

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

So that's how I can believe people here might be...distracted from the basic reality of things......

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Struggling to interpret what we're being told by a government that is reacting days, sometimes weeks too late, and giving 'advice' that is barely feasible with no guidance or assistance.

I can agree with both these sentiments. Both as a school teacher worried about his little Final Year chickadees and as someone whose partner has a small bakery. The young people are largely ignorant of whats going on around them. The govt websites say its all OK and the media says 'stay at school' so .. they stay at school.. or piss off to the beach, dependent largely on the weather. Their attitude - it "doesnt affect us", and that's a direct quote.

The business on the other hand - we've put up rather large perspex frontage on the front counter and re-arranged things so no more inside eating or coffee. Outside is still fine. Placed another counter in front of the first just to increase the distance from customers to us, and no more cash payments, card only. Installed hand sanitiser dispensers on the front of the shop, next to the entry way and also have about 5 others up around the back area for staff.

Customers wont use it - it smells funny apparently (like only 65% alcohol can)

ANDDDDD ... we still get idiots who want to try and touch the bread, or walk around to 'see' what we are doing or otherwise. Bloody idiots.

We are also getting alot of 'tourists' moving down out of Sydney to us on the South Coast for 'holidays'.

Frankly, given our Australian governments lack of response, I'm of the opinion of just letting the disease spread to all the old farts who are taking all the handouts and none of the responsibility for their own welfare.

Kinda seems like I could be quoting anything Isaac's character in Castlevania S3 says here ...

Sorry .. Rant ended.

Cheers,
Matt.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Maybe it would have been better to lie about the disease and to artificially balloon the death rate so people would be scared and wont constantly break quarantine. Its too late now but maybe in the future

In the bakery today - a Woman came in - and said, and I quote.

"I've been visiting a friend who just came back from Italy. She's in isolation so I decided to come here and grab 2 coffees and a cake to take away'

So much. For fucking. Isolation.


:(

Matt

https://www.westernjournal.com/doctor-4-degrees-mit-warns-deep-state-using-coronavirus-fear-mongering-suppress-dissent/

look into this guy and some things he speaks about

Oh, this again. Damn this government for asking us to get vaccine shots. We should do whatever we want damnit, screw everyone else we can infect.

Anti vaccers are going to be a hilarious bunch after this covid thing passes.

that seems like a possitive outcome in this whole trial, the public will have a lot less patience for them in the future.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : im going to assume charan is ignorant about economics, his refusal to aknowledge sarcasm on the UK comment part and his ignorance towards his "best-mate" who has to lead a company in these times seems proof enough for me since these are pretty much basics occupying a big part of the society currently.

This weird mentality that tries to say "lives before economy" as if economy isn't the stuff life is made off should also be a sign of somebody without knowledge on these things.

I'm gonna shrug off the irational comment that you need a job to have studied economy btw, before some peacher gets it in his mind to make such a silly argument again that amounts to "stay in your lane", as if.

its pretty easy to write me off and what i say based on credentials merits etc, but that dude? are you guys serious lol
sorry for your refusal to actually diligently researching a topic before basing your conclusion and opinion around it.

by the way, for everyone FREAKING OUT about this coronavirus stuff, you may want to read through these

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8228160/

https://patents.google.com/patent/CN104586880A/en

I read articles like this one every day, not by choice. It always comes down to 2 things - citing how many people die from every other disease and calamity or claiming that the state of emergency gives the government too much power, which they can use. In theory.

Eventually I got completely desensitized to all this. Call me again when there is an actual proof of governments seizing more power because of the disease.