Corona virus

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Another thing, we already know that social isolation works, we have no idea if the complete collapse of the healthcare system will.

That's the trade off most country's have agreed on currently.

But now imagine that the virus keeps traveling and comes back in a few months for round two.
Now imagine an isolation strategy prolonged over a period of six months.

Now think about the millions of family's that cant feed their children after they eat away their low amount of savings in the next month.

Thats why people are only making projections from a week to week basis at most, nobody knows when the turning point is going to come when society needs to decide to sacrifice the 1% for the survival of the group.
If we are lucky, we never have to make that call, but to think we have an infinite amount of time to do what we are currently doing is childish at best.

I expect to see a lot of resources being put into hospital capacity so people can continue to operate in the economy while managing the infection rates for round two.

Charans remark about kapitalism and the markets failing under pressure is highly suspect in this regard. People are literally sacrificing personal gains to direct resources where the community as a whole requires them the most, which is perfectly in line with a kapitalist market of demand.

In my country hospitals have been creating three new wings each in a week time for the big spike of cases to come at the cost of resources going elsewhere, obviously.

Only difference is, our goverment or people aren't flaunting it to the world as some monumental task, it just gets done because the demand is there.

Peace,

-Boem-

Im very scared. The pandemy didnt started on my city yet and I already saw people going crazy... Honestly fear human race more than the virus itself. Some keep travelling and doing social events like its all "lies", some are full paranoid and even going hostile towards anyone old age saying that its their fault, some KEEP going to church praying that all infidels blablabla jesus will come back blablabla. Its chaotic and show human nature at its best.

Economy and people crazyness will cause more deaths than the virus itself.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Meh, the projections don't account for the complete collapse of the healthcare system if we let the virus do whatever it wants. You think people will work when others are dying on the streets because there is not a single bed left at the hospitals? You think there wont be riots? That supposed movement where we kinda let the virus do its thing and we keep on living our lives is impossible to achieve.

now you're the one who needs to give me a SHRED of evidence that this coronavirus is going to be killing people in the streets, collapse our healthcare etc.
don't give me predictions or projections, give me EVIDENCE. yeah there is none.

now, my province (and basically entire country) is ENFORCING this evil social distancing bullshit, even though its called a medical "recommendation", with fines $1000-50,000 and extra police task forces to enforce this.
no gathers of 50+ and no handshakes, hugging, etc of any sort. how is this not a medical martial law? are you this fucking delusional?
i CANT go to work or i'll be fined or jailed
i CANT take my child to the park (which are barricaded off now) or i'll be fined or jailed
i CANT visit a friend publicly or i'll be fined or jailed

what happens if im out with my wife and we're holding hands/hugging or something? do we both get jailed? do i have to stay 2 meters away from my wife?
why does my entire fucking country have to get SHUT DOWN and everyone locked into their homes because of this coronavirus, which has less GLOBAL "infected" than one years worth of flu DEATHS??

wake up dude. seriously. get your head out of your poop-chute.

my country has just over 1,000 "infected", less than 20 deaths in the ENTIRE COUNTRY and we're shutting it down.
please explain to me how this is reasonable at all

EDIT:
i should clarify. there is no law saying that they can get fined for not following "social distancing" recommendations, thus any fine or punishment would be unlawful.

i'm scared.
lot of people are losing jobs.
great deppression is coming.

i still go to work to make bread/buns b/c people need food.

it's so sad to see some old folks looking at empty shelves because others hoarding them. it got better tho thanks to my company acting quick.


buy what you need. keep the social distancing. dont spread please.

Thankfully not too much on the news today. Just escalation. Well, that's bad enough really. Some much needed stimulus relief headed for people here, especially small businesses and the financially strained. Good.

I had some pretty wicked gut cramps and issues yesterday. Can't tell if we had a bad run-in with food (I tried to make a healthy broccoli soup, but I have IBS/IBD which means 'healthy' isn't always) or if it's the stress, but I have to eat. I don't have to immerse myself in the woes of the world. At least, not constantly. So today's a break.

Back later, kids. Try not to choke each other with your ideological hang-ups.

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xMustard wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Meh, the projections don't account for the complete collapse of the healthcare system if we let the virus do whatever it wants. You think people will work when others are dying on the streets because there is not a single bed left at the hospitals? You think there wont be riots? That supposed movement where we kinda let the virus do its thing and we keep on living our lives is impossible to achieve.

Spoiler

now you're the one who needs to give me a SHRED of evidence that this coronavirus is going to be killing people in the streets, collapse our healthcare etc.
don't give me predictions or projections, give me EVIDENCE. yeah there is none.

now, my province (and basically entire country) is ENFORCING this evil social distancing bullshit, even though its called a medical "recommendation", with fines $1000-50,000 and extra police task forces to enforce this.
no gathers of 50+ and no handshakes, hugging, etc of any sort. how is this not a medical martial law? are you this fucking delusional?
i CANT go to work or i'll be fined or jailed
i CANT take my child to the park (which are barricaded off now) or i'll be fined or jailed
i CANT visit a friend publicly or i'll be fined or jailed

what happens if im out with my wife and we're holding hands/hugging or something? do we both get jailed? do i have to stay 2 meters away from my wife?
why does my entire fucking country have to get SHUT DOWN and everyone locked into their homes because of this coronavirus, which has less GLOBAL "infected" than one years worth of flu DEATHS??

wake up dude. seriously. get your head out of your poop-chute.

my country has just over 1,000 "infected", less than 20 deaths in the ENTIRE COUNTRY and we're shutting it down.
please explain to me how this is reasonable at all

EDIT:
i should clarify. there is no law saying that they can get fined for not following "social distancing" recommendations, thus any fine or punishment would be unlawful.

You can look at italy if your interested how a collapsed health care system looks like.

What people mean when they say "collapse of the health care system" is being unable to handle the influx of patients relative to the outflow.
Meaning there are people with terminal conditions which cannot be cared for.

This results in higher death tolls then the virus could make if everybody could be put on medical care and get the treatment they require to help fend off the virus.

Thats why the mortality rate in italy is at 7% instead of the normal 2% the virus has.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : johny_snow is obviously dramatizing the situation, people wont be dying on the streets etc.
But if not handled correctly they would be dying needlessly in a hospital because there are no ventilators left etc.

you'll see
you'll see

it'll be too late, but you'll see

Well, USA is top3 as predicted. The only real competitor left is for them is Italy.

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