Armour Stacker, ES Stacker etc. need to be removed from the Game - Change my Mind

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

Defensive stats turned into offensive stats are not healthy for the game.

Sure, that's a reasonable argument, *except* when you invest literal multiple mirrors to achieve such outcome, which then your argument becomes irrelevant.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

It completely warps the game for them, essentially putting them out of reach of everyone else. You simply cannot compete with that, at all.

If you're talking about PvP, lmao.

If you're talking about PvE, there are plenty of builds that require a fraction of the cost of these top builds that farm at an extremelly better pace than these builds ever could.

If we're being pedantic and realistic, party play warps the meta way more than those builds ever could.

While we are at it, week 1, 86% of Berserks used Volcanic Fissure of Snaking, 93% had two-handed axe and 95% of them were rage stacking, being 22% of the entire meta (28% at 18hours). Only after people killed eveything they swtitched to farm builds. Now that deserves a nerf, not the "rich people" meta that literally does nothing to the game after it was alredy throroughly beaten by Berserk.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

We used to have Physical Damage Reduction (PDR) on the tree and on more items, and they were all removed because it was deemed too powerful. Now, look at where we are. Meta running completely rampant with stackers everywhere.

This is 3.10 Deli Herald stackers all over again, though perhaps a little less extreme.

Wrong. GGG doesn't mind outrageous characters when you have to literally sink 20-30-50 mirrors into it. What they do mind is when you only sink 50div(ex in your 3.10 case, i know, i was there) and get the same results. Which is also arguably laughable because nowadays, as others have mentioned, you can trivialize the game which such budget alredy.

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Honestly, trying to remove the top builds that are gated behind multiple mirrors is the literal definition of fomo. They are at the top, but the ceiling for trivializing the game is a fraction of a fraction of what they use. The only thing you're truly advocating for is to remove the incentive to get to those builds and nothing else.

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AdRonZh3Ro#4713 wrote:

Honestly, trying to remove the top builds that are gated behind multiple mirrors is the literal definition of fomo. They are at the top, but the ceiling for trivializing the game is a fraction of a fraction of what they use. The only thing you're truly advocating for is to remove the incentive to get to those builds and nothing else.

Mate. You are in Standard League and currently playing... an Armour stacker.

Biased take is biased.

Isn't it great when you intentionally leave bait up and the subject drops all pretense, ignoring all your arguments, to accuse you of the very same thing the subject is doing? Fomo deniers are simply a very predictible bread...

So, yeah. Fomo. No other actual argument to this thread. The "change my mind" is just another bait. Stop hating on rich people and play the game, "mate".

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AdRonZh3Ro#4713 wrote:

Isn't it great when you intentionally leave bait up and the subject drops all pretense, ignoring all your arguments, to accuse you of the very same thing the subject is doing?

What on earth are you on about, mate. You gave a biased take. You showed your bias. I pointed that out. So: ???

If you are implying that you "gotcha'd" me for having a bias against stacker builds... I mean, pretty obvious that I do, but definitely not for the reasons you mentioned. I already gave my reasoning as to why I am biased against it.

You didn't counter my arguments, you merely said... something. No idea why you even brought up the competitive PvP angle, when the game has an active economy and trade leagues... That is where the competition stems from.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

What on earth are you on about, mate. You gave a biased take. You showed your bias. I pointed that out. So: ???

"So" your argument is just as biased and devoid of an actual valid argument.

P.S.:Exacty, i'm also laughing at your build.

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AdRonZh3Ro#4713 wrote:

"So" your argument is just as biased and devoid of an actual valid argument.

What you link that for? Thanks for the laugh! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Have a good one, mate!

Hoho the fomo is real.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

I'm a naive utopist, and want all builds to have the ability to be scaled similarly without resorting to "one" tool.

I presume by that you mean a fair playground, not same scaling? Otherwise that'd homogenize the game and ultimately kill it.

I can't stand to play most Minion builds currently for the same reason, as in most cases the most effective way to play them is to stack Poison. Edit: Forgot to add Cluster Jewels. This league, it's all Perquil's Toe and Doryani's. That is homogenization. Same with stackers. How boring and small.

I miss the days where we would get a whole library of new toys to play with (as in new skills). (Patches 3.7 and 3.8 are still among my favorites because melee was fun and we got a shitload of new toys.)

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GODOFWARSANCHEZ#4574 wrote:

RMT needs to be removed from the game, people buy builds buy mirror gear all for real money, change my mind.

Currently, if you are having a strong character and doing solid 35d/hr strategy, you will get yourself a mirror in 60+ hours. (Mirror price by those 60 hours will increase on 200-500divs)

You reach 35d/hour by 1:1 copying medicore streamer strats. These are highly saturated and overfarmed.

Here's my filler farm I do between the good strategies as an example just for you:

I ran 60 maps of speedy deli mirrors with 5x paranoia on 8-mod city square. I kill enough monsters to reach 6 reward tiles, kill the boss for the 7th reward tile, loot & leave. My build is good enough but not optimized for this. Any optimized BV explode, ignite/poison prolif or wander would easily outfarm me.

(open screenshots in new tab for better resolution)

TL;DR: 73d pure profit in 90 minutes (which includes liquidation time exclusively done through Faustus) or 48d/hour.

The only guy that bothers to upload detailed realistic rundowns of farming strats regurlarly lands at 10-15ish divines with no liquidation time considered(with some exceptions maybe) and with a character worth 1 mirror+. Where are your videos??? What you claim is absolutely unrealistic in the long run, lmao...