Armour Stacker, ES Stacker etc. need to be removed from the Game - Change my Mind

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

The only guy that bothers to upload detailed realistic rundowns of farming strats regurlarly lands at 10-15ish divines with no liquidation time considered(with some exceptions maybe) and with a character worth 1 mirror+. Where are your videos??? What you claim is absolutely unrealistic in the long run, lmao...

What would a video format change? The data wouldn't be different and you're not going to watch me swap back and forth between stash and Faustus for 30 minutes. "Run deli mirrors on city square, reach 7 reward tiles by killing the boss and skip 50% of the map" isn't exactly complex either.

Here's a gameplay reference video (not mine) from last patch for a general idea if that's what you're looking for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfaOAhyWJmM

I am now 100% certain that the OP has never once made an armour stacker or ES stacker, and maybe watched ONE video on them at some point......the things he says about them are just straight up wrong. "An armour stacker only needs 450k armor and 1 replica" - that is a HARD belly laugh right there. Those ssf and hardcore stackers he linked earlier, claiming they were just as OP at that lower pricepoint.....yet they all dealt no damage and had basically no defense to hard hits, all while boasting a cost well beyond the typical ssf/hc build costs.

It is just simply....wrong. There's no way around it. All of it. Completely side-stepping all arguments while offering false statistics on what these particular stackers are capable of.

And then trying to make the actual argument that the cost of such builds is irrelevant to the argument.....which is well beyond the bounds of anything remotely connected to the core of PoE character creation lol.

Armour Stacker isn't even good per cost vs most meta builds and only becomes strong after heavy investment and a level 100. It's basically and end game build that people can dump currency into with some payoff after like spending a mirror worth. It's also not really very popular almost not even 2% of people are making stackers in general when you look at the level 100 characters in a league.

Personally I see no issues with those builds. They're the absolute endgame for those who can afford them, or something to work towards to for others. It's nice having archetypes like these in the game.

Some want more for their endgame than Scorching Ray Totems that top out at 20 Divines invested, you know?

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

I am now 100% certain that the OP has never once made an armour stacker or ES stacker, and maybe watched ONE video on them at some point......the things he says about them are just straight up wrong.

OP’s been around for, what, a year and a half now? And it shows, though not exactly in a way that inspires confidence.
The lack of understanding is usually just background noise, but on this topic, it’s practically under a spotlight.

Let’s be honest, this isn’t thoughtful feedback it’s a thinly veiled outburst, driven entirely by good old-fashioned FOMO.

Stacking builds? Must be broken, clearly. Never mind that the budget versions aren’t even remotely as powerful as OP seems to believe.
But when you’ve never actually played one,or frankly, any truly well-crafted build it’s easy to project your own frustration as some grand balancing issue.

Because when understanding is absent and investment is out of reach, the conclusion becomes laughably predictable:
“If I can’t make it work, then no one should be allowed to.”

These ad hominem posts by the usual clique are honestly hilarious. It's like you never learn. Same nonsense every time, you get proven wrong, then you bow out to come back at a later time with more hateful comments. Thank you for the free entertainment. Your immaculate display of knowledge and civility is a sight to behold.

armor stacker was really nice back when jugger had mini transcendence.

they also nerfed transcendence keystone via damage taken as elemental so survivability is nothing out of the ordinary.

and in general you would need a mb for the build to start to shine.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

It is just simply....wrong. There's no way around it. All of it. Completely side-stepping all arguments while offering false statistics on what these particular stackers are capable of.

You mean, as per usual? Like all those other times you told me the same thing? How I'm essentially dumb and don't know anything?

Meanwhile, you can't even tell the difference between basic mechanics:

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

I'm not having this conversation, I remember you and your history: you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and its just going to get worse.

I see no reason why triggered skills on items shouldn't be usable with the mercenaries.

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If you are not here to discuss the topic at hand, you are likely here because it was me who made the post. While I find your fangirling amusing, I don't see how it's aiding a discussion. Love ya, bro. 🤜🤛

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

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Draegnarrr#2823 wrote:

Does power level actually matter anymore?

While I get your view on things, it still matters.

It isn't my view more an acceptance of the state of things, I think it should matter but mageblood would be gone well before stackers for me :p

Luckily (for most) my balance criteria are considered outdated and GGG don't remotely operate near them anymore :p so get on that power choochoo train and smash the content

I don´t see any reason to nerf or even delete those builds, for several reasons:

1. Those are typical endgame-setups. You can´t realistically leaguestart armour-stackers, ES-stackers need a lot of invest to get going, attribute-stackers have certain threshholds before they start to feel good. I think it is very good for the longevity to have endgame-opportunities to dump currency in. When I start some early-league setup that decks out with 30 divine, what am I supposed to do? End the league?

2. You can´t really say those builds are "out of reach". What do you mean by reach? First of all, even those builds are designed to do specific things. Accuracy- or Dex-Stacking is as far as I know the typical glass-canon-variant that nukes everything in its path. Those builds will never be able to deep-delve or play all valdos maps. Take armour- or strength-stackers, then you end up with builds that are certainly not the fastest for every content. Builds have always a focus and the truly "one-fits-all"-builds are the ones that get nerfed.

3. Adding onto point 2, the reach: My current build kills all ubers, farms ultra-endgame stuff like risk-stacked titanic blights in t17 maps... for around 0.7 mirrors. What exactly is there left that other builds do what I cant do aside of doing specific content faster/better? In what way are stackers out of reach here?