Cold Chronomancer Megathread. Fully updated.

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pklfz#3468 wrote:

Low Life when CI is fixed, is anointing Mental Toughness more valuable than Icebreaker now?

It depends on your needs. I don't need neither of them, for example.
If you struggle with mana - you can anoint it. But mana issues can be fixed via other means (% Mana on Kill jewels for example). In this case Icebreaker gives you protection against random deaths due to freeze. But it also can be fixed via other means (-% freeze reduction on you).

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Low Life when CI is fixed, is anointing Mental Toughness more valuable than Icebreaker now?

The hot fix didn't mention Low Mana. Can anyone confirm if Mental Toughness is working with CI now?

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chobi0ne#5028 wrote:

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pklfz#3468 wrote:

Low Life when CI is fixed, is anointing Mental Toughness more valuable than Icebreaker now?

It depends on your needs. I don't need neither of them, for example.
If you struggle with mana - you can anoint it. But mana issues can be fixed via other means (% Mana on Kill jewels for example). In this case Icebreaker gives you protection against random deaths due to freeze. But it also can be fixed via other means (-% freeze reduction on you).

Thx. I have 4x "Recover 2% of Mana on Kill" and mana is just enough. I decide to anoint Icebreaker.

Thanks for the valuable thread.
I read multiple times in the thread Chrono is expecting nerfs.
I don't for the sake of god understand why it would be that way.
More of everything, Chrono should get a big buff.
Damage is subpar.
Survivability is meh.
Recoup is useless with the actual meta.
Slow aura is garbage if you don't invest 20ish points in the atlas, sacrificing damage.
Time Freeze is ok tier, with the sceptre swap.

The only thing Chrono are excelling at the moment, glorified aurabot.

Stormweavers have better clearing/bossing.

When/If the nerf bat hits Archmage/MOM/+level to gems, we would be even more useless.
So, except some 3 shot bossing shenaningans, can someone, constructively, explain to me why in the world Chrono should get nerfed.

I am lvl 95 and i grew tired of trying to fiddle around building something else than Spark/AM/EB/MOM, a weaker Stormweaver clone.
Everything else sucks and feels like a waste of currency.
I built almost the same 'Teeas coughing chrono', with a 120 div budget, before finding this thread hoping for some cool ideas.
It is way less efficient than a 10 div spark build.

Best.

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DullahX#2434 wrote:

When/If the nerf bat hits Archmage/MOM/+level to gems, we would be even more useless.
So, except some 3 shot bossing shenaningans, can someone, constructively, explain to me why in the world Chrono should get nerfed.

I think what they really mean is that it's not Chrono which deserves/should be nerfed, but Archmage and, maybe, EB/MOM/Gaze combo. And if/when it gets nerfed, like you said, Chrono will become more useless.
However, I disagree that we have any problems with clearing and, especially, bossing. Our bossing shenanigans with CoC are possible only due to Chronomancer abilities.

yeah, no one is saying Chrono itself is getting nerfed, or needs it.

statements are that , the things we are relying on to make Chrono viable, are going to get nerfed. in fact, many of these ARE because other classes can make use of them, better then chrono.

Archmage. busted op. to the point that choosing anything else is a wrong choice.

Gaze ammy. overtuned. I personally think this is just the new design for conversions, its just the raw value is too high. same with atziris disdain.

frostwall, maybe frostbolt shotgunning. shotgunning was removed in poe1 for a reason. most aoe's were then intentionally designed so they can't overlap see magma orb, and spell cascade. I can't imagine frostwalls instantpop, shotgunning, and freeze buildup will be left as is.

cast on dodge. is not doing what it says it does. and when streamers really notice this and start to exploit it. (especially with temporalis) its going to get nerfed. hard.

Curse and aura effect adding into Blasphemy. it did not do this in poe1.

adorned, timelost jewel shenangigans.


I made a post a while back about what I thought needed to be buffed/reworked for chrono.
I still stand by that. I don't think I've changed my mind on any of it.

Also, bear in mind this is the "cold chrono" thread. most of us have not really looked that deeply into fire chrono, lightning chrono, chaos, not minions, not hammer of the gods mace chrono, or quarterstaff melee, or xbow grenade chrono. its entirely possible some of these are more powerful, and viable and we haven't really explored it.

I mean, that slow aura chronomancer and hammer of the gods mace, or quarterstaff with tempest bell, etc. wouldn't that be totally busted?

I've personally tested a few things. but not too deeply.

Does anyone know if the +1 to Cold Skills on the Passive Tree is bugged? I'm currently at lvl 24 for my frost skills (No +1 level gem in any of my frost skills atm)
I was initially having mana problems due to my spells being too high a level so held off from slotting in that passive.

However, today after learning it. It seems that it does not increase damage/mana cost.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Could we perhaps get a sequence of gem links in order of importance? So that players who don't have 6links yet know which supports are more important to link first before others, like in the Frostbolt, Frostwall and Cast on Crit gems in the main Cold Slowmancer build.

Revisiting recoup for a moment.

24% of damage recouped as mana possible on ammy. suffix. (life as well, but we care more about mana/es) I do not know how mana catalysts effect these.
life recoup on jewels, no mana or es.

midnight braid belt. unique.
50% of damage taken recouped as mana.
30% inc life recovery from flasks.
+30-50max mana.
+5-10 all elem resists.
https://poe2db.tw/us/Midnight_Braid
huh... these are real cheap on the market. theres even a corrupted one with 56% recoup.

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Randomises the numerical values of explicit modifiers (like a divine Orb
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so, 61 mana recoup corruption is possible.



20, 6, and 3 mana recoup in passive tree.

3% es recoup. is this the ONLY source of it?

so, ammy+passives could give us 53% mana recoup. (maybe more of quality works)
+belt, 103% as well.

EB+MoM.
lets say 3000 mana.

3000 damage hit, that takes out all your mana. leaving only life.
53% =1590 mana over 8s. 198.7mana/s before, 99m/s after mom.
103%= 3090 mana over 8s. 386m/s before, 193 after mom.
rapid river.
53% =1590 mana over 4s. 397.5mana/s before, 199m/s after mom.
103%= 3090 mana over 4s. 772.5m/s before, 386m/s after mom.
pliable flesh
53% =1590 mana over 3.2s. 497.5mana/s before, 248.75m/s after mom.
103%= 3090 mana over 3.2s. 965.6m/s before, 482m/s after mom.
oh, I forgot "arcane blossom" in those numbers. multiply them by 1.15.

3%es recoup.
90 es over 8,4,3.2s. 11/s,22/s,28/s. haha. note, if you have 24% mana recoup ammy, you don't have everlasting gaze, and thus don't have EB and Es. this seems pretty pathetic of course. im not sure if there is some way to do something with this.
oh shit, the ES node across from Arcane blossom is ES RECOVERY rate, not recharge. that would also effect this es recoup. I wonder what else.. zealot oath es regen.. grim feast is flat, not a rate.. this probably pairs with Eternal youth, or shaveronnes as I note later.

life recoup. 12 from pliable flesh, 9glazed flesh, and 30 heartbound
51%= 1530hp over 8,4,3.2s. 191hp/s, 382.5hp/s, 478hp/s

Grim feast. the first thing of course. I said 3k hit to your mana.. but 3k hit to ES BEFORE mana or life is even better. you'll be regening that life and mana before it even hits your life or mana.
of, course to hafe life, mana, and ES. you can't have CI. and either need to choose between gaze, or 24% of that mana recoup.

without mom?
103% damage recouped as mana, and Mom sounds immortal, (outside of degens that don't proc recoup), but of course its reducing that 103 to 51.5(59% with arcane blossom). granted natural mana regen and flasks are there too..
but, how much % damage taken from mana can we get without mom?
34% in passive tree. (does basically require mental pers to be annointed. its so far from anything good.)
4% per sapphire. (1% per notable on time lost sapphires) so, 3-6? 24% Chobi you said you stacked this at one point right? what were your sources?
58% of damage taken from mana.

EB and gaze. well, gaze is an option, and giving you that es, and midnight braid belt for that mana recoup. or, you drop gaze. get a mana recoup, +skills ammy.
maxroll.gg seems to think mana quality would buff the mana recoup.

life, grim feast es, and 58% damage taken from mana, gives a pretty big ehp. and higher ailment threshold. not sure if stun scales with life still. midnight braid is only 1 charm slot.

glazed flesh itself is also probably too far to justify. even if the 3/3/3 is neat.
mind eraser is also 5 points. could just have to decide which to take. mind eraser is prime for a timelost jewel though.

for the record shavronne;'s satchel also is pretty good.
https://poe2db.tw/us/Shavronnes_Satchel
giving life flasks to BOTH life and ES.

edit:unfounded concern, was right the first time.