Just make POE 2 not gender locked, simple.

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exsea#1724 wrote:


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so no, i m not hating you. zero hate. i just feel sad for you as you're too fixated on bringing social norms into a fantasy setting.

Real world social norms is exactly what people are asking for when they ask for "unlocking" gender. GGG has created a fantasy setting. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are turtles, they aren't lobsters. In PoE we have the Ranger, not an English archer, or one of the Mongol archers of Genghis Khan. GGG has made the characters as they are - that's their fantasy setting. The ranger has inclinations that some players may not want for themselves, but players aren't asking for GGG to "Unlock" the Ranger with more common inclinations. They can add to it or change it, but people asking for it are certainly bringing the outside world into the game in most cases.

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exsea#1724 wrote:
thats a very weird hill to die on. i consider myself a boomer and yet even i dont see anything wrong with removing such things as genderlocking.


It's not gender locking. There isn't an alternative gender to unlock. You can't remove something that doesn't exist. If GGG had already made alternative character models (including the binary ones people are asking for here) and were preventing players from using them, I would agree with "unlocking" them. They aren't. It's like saying GGG should remove the motorcycle locking in PoE 2. GGG isn't denying players motorcycles or anything on this issue.

People are making a big fuss over getting something for free which GGG has not decided to spend the time and money on. Maybe I'd be on your side if there was a kickst*rter kind of thing where players agreed with GGG to be bound by a given cost beforehand for gender choices for all characters. If players pledge a million or two to GGG, then I think GGG would take a good look at it.

(I'm not suggesting K***st**tr or any place other than here on GGG's official website - just the general idea behind it)

It's a free game. Most players don't care about what character they are playing, they just want the most efficient build. Some just want an efficient build whose playing style they enjoy. I would wager (in terms of GGG PoE fish) that most players would play a character that looked like a potato if it was far more efficient than any other. The topic in this thread doesn't effect the Metagame in any way, and thus isn't relative to most players.

I respect others opinions on this topic, including yours. If I didn't care I wouldn't have taken the time to respond. Your intentions are honorable, but the rationale is incorrect imo, and not reasonable for GGG to attempt in the near term. They are struggling just to add in PoE 1 MTX right now.
Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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exsea#1724 wrote:


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so no, i m not hating you. zero hate. i just feel sad for you as you're too fixated on bringing social norms into a fantasy setting.

Real world social norms is exactly what people are asking for when they ask for "unlocking" gender. GGG has created a fantasy setting. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are turtles, they aren't lobsters. In PoE we have the Ranger, not an English archer, or one of the Mongol archers of Genghis Khan. GGG has made the characters as they are - that's their fantasy setting. The ranger has inclinations that some players may not want for themselves, but players aren't asking for GGG to "Unlock" the Ranger with more common inclinations. They can add to it or change it, but people asking for it are certainly bringing the outside world into the game in most cases.

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exsea#1724 wrote:
thats a very weird hill to die on. i consider myself a boomer and yet even i dont see anything wrong with removing such things as genderlocking.


It's not gender locking. There isn't an alternative gender to unlock. You can't remove something that doesn't exist. If GGG had already made alternative character models (including the binary ones people are asking for here) and were preventing players from using them, I would agree with "unlocking" them. They aren't. It's like saying GGG should remove the motorcycle locking in PoE 2. GGG isn't denying players motorcycles or anything on this issue.

People are making a big fuss over getting something for free which GGG has not decided to spend the time and money on. Maybe I'd be on your side if there was a kickst*rter kind of thing where players agreed with GGG to be bound by a given cost beforehand for gender choices for all characters. If players pledge a million or two to GGG, then I think GGG would take a good look at it.

(I'm not suggesting K***st**tr or any place other than here on GGG's official website - just the general idea behind it)

It's a free game. Most players don't care about what character they are playing, they just want the most efficient build. Some just want an efficient build whose playing style they enjoy. I would wager (in terms of GGG PoE fish) that most players would play a character that looked like a potato if it was far more efficient than any other. The topic in this thread doesn't effect the Metagame in any way, and thus isn't relative to most players.

I respect others opinions on this topic, including yours. If I didn't care I wouldn't have taken the time to respond. Your intentions are honorable, but the rationale is incorrect imo, and not reasonable for GGG to attempt in the near term. They are struggling just to add in PoE 1 MTX right now.


i actually have a suggestion that would solve all the "money issues"

just let players choose the class, THEN choose the character models. then we dont need to worry about "genderswapped characters not existing".

i ve actually suggested this many times before. tbh i dont really care for a karui female or a shadow thats female. conversely a male sorceror model either. we already have so many character models that GGG has "made into existence" let us choose which one to play as. problem solved.

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exsea#1724 wrote:


i actually have a suggestion that would solve all the "money issues"

just let players choose the class, THEN choose the character models. then we dont need to worry about "genderswapped characters not existing".


That's a GREAT idea. I'd vote for that, if it mattered in any way. Apply it to PoE 1 as well. I like the Duelist graphics and would make Marauder characters with that model.

If I could use the witch graphics and make a stabby stab melee dagger witch, I'd be very happy. (Mainly because I've never found a good pure melee witch build that isn't some kind of shotgunning effect).


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exsea#1724 wrote:

i ve actually suggested this many times before.


Apologies, I didn't read through the entire thread, just occasionally checking in on it.

Considering that (Barring Ascendancy Skills) PoE allows characters of any class to use any weapon/skill that they meet the requirements for, your idea is very sensible, and seems easy enough to implement.

Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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exsea#1724 wrote:


i actually have a suggestion that would solve all the "money issues"

just let players choose the class, THEN choose the character models. then we dont need to worry about "genderswapped characters not existing".


That's a GREAT idea. I'd vote for that, if it mattered in any way. Apply it to PoE 1 as well. I like the Duelist graphics and would make Marauder characters with that model.

If I could use the witch graphics and make a stabby stab melee dagger witch, I'd be very happy. (Mainly because I've never found a good pure melee witch build that isn't some kind of shotgunning effect).


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exsea#1724 wrote:

i ve actually suggested this many times before.


Apologies, I didn't read through the entire thread, just occasionally checking in on it.

Considering that (Barring Ascendancy Skills) PoE allows characters of any class to use any weapon/skill that they meet the requirements for, your idea is very sensible, and seems easy enough to implement.



no worries, i didnt actually post that in here because to me the topic is more of "dont gender lock" i always advocate for no genderlocking UNLESS its crucial to the character/lore. for example kratos. i DONT WANT him to have an alternate female version unless its just a silly mtx or multiverse thing (still rather not). it really depends on the game genre.

i usually leave the suggestion out because i feel that the conversation should be about "dont genderlock". while the suggestion can come later as part of the solution.

but i d be lying if i dont say that its also part of an elaborate "gotcha" trap. theres a lot of people that for some reason are against giving players gender options. and normally they would whine and say GGG has no money/budget for it. in most cases they'd still try and weasel out some weird excuse why its bad for the lore.

actually there is an issue with my suggestion. as ggg would need to still put work into them for certain skills. such as infernalist demon form and the upcoming beastmaster's transformations. tho i m sure its still "cheaper" to make the transformations than make entirely fledged out alternate gender models.

and yeah, i really would like this "choose your model" option available on std.

i dont like the templar ascendancies but i really would like to actually play as a giraffe if i play poe1 again.
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I happen to agree with this, this is lazy work imo.
I would have hoped in 2025 we would be past gender locking characters by now.
big +1 from me
Allow me to play whatever class i want without having to hear man grunts or disable sound effects thank you.
How bout no?

I want development time spent on useful things. The only people that care about character genders are trolls looking for virtue signaling credit.

Grow up and keep your politics out of video games.
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SinANger#4868 wrote:
That is what a big part of the communitiy is asking. It will increase the amount of cosmetics buyers, no downside. You said urselves that the engine now allows you to make kind of stuff much easier.



Lol...."big part of the community..."


Troll or a clown...
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sempuken#7215 wrote:
How bout no?

I want development time spent on useful things. The only people that care about character genders are trolls looking for virtue signaling credit.

Grow up and keep your politics out of video games.


dude. you're so anti woke that you're labelling everything as woke shit without realizing the ones asking for different genders are non woke people.

and, as a counterpoint that i already mentioned. all ggg has to do is allow players to choose a class and THEN choose a character model.

GGG DOESNT need to put too much effort into creating new stuff this way.

in fact if you REALLY want development time spent on useful things, you would be asking GGG to just make 2 character models, 1 male, 1 female. and thats it. not individual character models for each class.

thats the REAL solution game devs actually went with. you can see this in titan quest, grim dawn, dungeon siege1.

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itgrowls#4225 wrote:
I happen to agree with this, this is lazy work imo.
I would have hoped in 2025 we would be past gender locking characters by now.


My country is also kind of backwards.

2025 and we are all "gender locked". No matter what micro-transaction I equip in my every-day life, the officials keep calling me "male".

Complete nonsense.

And all of this, because half a century ago, some barbaric doctor noticed this limb between my legs, and LOCKED me for life...

Its 2025 man, why do we have this?

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