So is discussing/talking about RMT allowed? (Talking != doing it)

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awesome999 wrote:

Saying microtransactions don't give you an in-game advantage is denialism. All this convincing is contradictory as there is no reason to buy them if there isn't.

[Removed by Support] There are all sorts of reasons people spend money besides gaining some kind of competitive advantage.

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awesome999 wrote:

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Alysma wrote:

@OP, there's an obvious difference between buying MTX with real money and e.g. currency:
MTX don't give you an ingame advantage, but currency does.

Saying microtransactions don't give you an in-game advantage is denialism. All this convincing is contradictory as there is no reason to buy them if there isn't.

Yup, I totally bought tens of armour sets, pets, portal etc because "they give advantage".

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

Saying microtransactions don't give you an in-game advantage is denialism. All this convincing is contradictory as there is no reason to buy them if there isn't.

[Removed by Support] There are all sorts of reasons people spend money besides gaining some kind of competitive advantage.

People are misguided, as they think power is the only advantage that matter and other advantage doesn't mean it doesn't give an in-game advantages. It is not the only in-game advantages. ANY advantage is an advantage. Aesthetics is an in-game advantage. Pretty people are more prone to attract attention and impress your friends. It help your social aspect of the game. Your majestic beauty make you happier than your ugly peasant dress.

Unless people want to compromising their standing by insisting that cosmetic doesn't make you pretty or change your look. That is indeed an advantage over others that didn't pay for it. Insisting otherwise is either the hopeless determined or the dire dishonesty.

Are you not pretty enough? Are you not the fairest of them all. Are you not the most attractive and prettiest. Why are you buying cosmetic?

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Except that this is player-to-player instead of business-to-player and that is the part that is forbidden. You'd have to ignore TOS and common sense to make your argument.

Against the TOS and not allowed by the gaming companies because it hurt their interest. Gaming companies try to sue RMT websites. RMT websites been sued. Depending on which case and depending on the context you are talking about, RMT isn't illegal and is allowed.

Can't really stop them if it is allowed. "Illegal" RMT is sarcastic.

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awesome999 wrote:

Aesthetics is an in-game advantage. Pretty people are more prone to attract attention and impress your friends. It help your social aspect of the game.

I play the game by myself, I'm not impressing anyone man.

I didn't buy a coffee this morning for any advantage over anyone else. I bought it because I enjoy it. That may be good for me, for my mental health etc, but it's not to put me ahead of anyone. Same as having odd little paintings on my walls or any number of dumb things I've bought off the internet over the years.

Benefit is not the same as advantage. I feel a bit bad for people who have grown up treating all of society as competitive.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

Aesthetics is an in-game advantage. Pretty people are more prone to attract attention and impress your friends. It help your social aspect of the game.

I play the game by myself, I'm not impressing anyone man.

I didn't buy a coffee this morning for any advantage over anyone else. I bought it because I enjoy it. That may be good for me, for my mental health etc, but it's not to put me ahead of anyone. Same as having odd little paintings on my walls or any number of dumb things I've bought off the internet over the years.

Benefit is not the same as advantage. I feel a bit bad for people who have grown up treating all of society as competitive.

Are we arguing whether a benefit is an advantage? Less beneficial to you doesn't mean it isn't beneficial. That is silly. Hint: It is both. People are denouncing what is.

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awesome999 wrote:

Less beneficial to you doesn't mean it isn't beneficial.

Uh, I know. I’m quite specifically saying that buying things you like is beneficial. Which is different to it necessarily being done for advantage.

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awesome999 wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Except that this is player-to-player instead of business-to-player and that is the part that is forbidden. You'd have to ignore TOS and common sense to make your argument.

Against the TOS and not allowed by the gaming companies because it hurt their interest. Gaming companies try to sue RMT websites. RMT websites been sued. Depending on which case and depending on the context you are talking about, RMT isn't illegal and is allowed.

Can't really stop them if it is allowed. "Illegal" RMT is sarcastic.

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On the contrary: why should they allow players to trade away their stuff for real money? If anything, history teaches us that it makes for a worse user experience. The shitty AH in D3 or scummy web3 blockchain games come to mind immediatly. I'm sure we can think of more bad examples.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

Less beneficial to you doesn't mean it isn't beneficial.

Uh, I know. I’m quite specifically saying that buying things you like is beneficial. Which is different to it necessarily being done for advantage.

An advantage is used for comparison with something else; being better than something else.

More benefits = more advantages.

Advantages has no meaning without comparison with other people, it is used in relation with other people. Fortunately Planet Earth is filled with people and people playing POE. There can be comparison even if you don't compare yourself with other, Other people would.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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If trading virtual items is bad, why did gaming companies allowed themselves to do so. Other did something bad, gaming companies can do that too. So why not? Sell microtransactions.

"No man chooses evil because it is evil; he only mistakes it for happiness, the good he seeks."

RMT is an essentially selfish motive not an evil one. Essentially both gaming companies and RMT does it for their selfish motive because it make sense. For moola. For their great Happiness at expense of others.

Please Support profit driven companies, They would surely prosper and thrive if the customers support their regressive monetization policy.

Sooner or later there comes a point where proliferation of these regressive monetization policy mean phasing out of less profitable monetization. I believe that is the gaming industry trend.

It depends at least on what you mean by evil. Human beings are fundamentally selfish, yes. Evil should not be done, nevertheless it is done for a greater good. For their great Happiness at expense of others.

Convincing gaming companies to do the right thing rather than something profitable is difficult if not futile. Fruitless endeavor is best avoided. Misinterpretation of what I am doing.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

On the contrary: why should they allow players to trade away their stuff for real money? If anything, history teaches us that it makes for a worse user experience. The shitty AH in D3 or scummy web3 blockchain games come to mind immediatly. I'm sure we can think of more bad examples.

AH in D3 didn't bring in as much profit as Blizzard had hope. Most of the money went to RMTers rather than Blizzard. It is When Blizzard realize it is more trouble than it is worth, then Blizzard decide to shut it down. Direct microtransactions would bring in more profit or so how Diablo immortal came to be.

Direct Microtransactions would make more money than RMT AH. Diablo Immortal would make more money than Diablo 3, they are right. What they learn; RMT is great if they are the one doing it, profit wise.

One of those who think they are entitled to have everything for free and everyone should be equal.