Why gate the new gems behind lab?

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zakalwe55 wrote:

You answered your own question. The new gems are gated behind lab because people hate it.

Unfortunately this is very true. PoE's philosophy is that if you want to get something valuable, the process of getting it has to be boring and tedious. No, not challenging or difficult (that would be fine), but simply tedious.

They know that players in general hate lab and beg for it to be removed completely. They even removed the mandatory map trials that you had to complete before to unlock the last lab - because they know people dislike such gameplay. Yet they decide to lock the new gems behind the lab.

I really don't get this design philosophy - that for some reason to get a valuable thing, you have to pay this price/'punishment' of doing boring content. I don't understand what exactly it achieves and what value it provides to the game.

There is a group that like Lab just like there is a group that like Heist. People wouldnt care if it was Heist that got cool new loot locked behind, but now that its something YOU dont like its a big deal.
Also ask yourself. How many people would do Heist if it wasnt one of the bst money in the game? How many players do it because they like it, not for the money? I would say less people than "lab runners".

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Aynix wrote:

There is a group that like Lab just like there is a group that like Heist. People wouldnt care if it was Heist that got cool new loot locked behind, but now that its something YOU dont like its a big deal.
Also ask yourself. How many people would do Heist if it wasnt one of the bst money in the game? How many players do it because they like it, not for the money? I would say less people than "lab runners".

Lab is just outdated content. Nothing ever happens in lab. Monsters cant even scratch you, defences and recovery needed for t16 maps completely negates all traps. Current lab runners just rush blindly 700mph skipping everything.

Heist have mechanics. Things to pay attention to, vectors to optimize, to tune way you play. Some differences to catch your eye. Lab is same tileset and same patterns over and over again. Lab enchants cost so much for a reason: players physically can't do lab even a day straight. It's soulcrushing chore, which only few can bear.

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Tuomari wrote:

Im pretty sure there are several people who hate the lab and only do it for the ascendancy once per difficulty so why put the new gems there?

lab is easy once you have the dps and some speed running

and wait for a day when uber lab is easy to run

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Aynix wrote:

There is a group that like Lab just like there is a group that like Heist. People wouldnt care if it was Heist that got cool new loot locked behind, but now that its something YOU dont like its a big deal.
Also ask yourself. How many people would do Heist if it wasnt one of the bst money in the game? How many players do it because they like it, not for the money? I would say less people than "lab runners".

Hoho I for one love Heist I've said it plenty of times.

Finally some love to lab
I mean, running uberlab is like 10-20min of your time and there's exclusive rewards that look amazingly fun to tinker with

I don't understand the hate, most of you guys are playing SC anyway and 90-95% of gems will be around 2-5c so you will have access to every gem

What's the issue?

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shadowthedead wrote:

Finally some love to lab
I mean, running uberlab is like 10-20min of your time and there's exclusive rewards that look amazingly fun to tinker with

I don't understand the hate, most of you guys are playing SC anyway and 90-95% of gems will be around 2-5c so you will have access to every gem

What's the issue?

Mistery. Not long ago people had jewels, alt qual gems with multiple alt qual supports, ashes with reservation and manacost boot enchantment. And now one single gem. Less is more. Wonder where all this hate came from.

I do favor that they change it to not be fully gated; imho it's much better to have things be available throug hseveral different means so people can choose the side content they want to play. Even if some are better for it than others, it's definitely much nicer.

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zlefin_actual wrote:

I do favor that they change it to not be fully gated; imho it's much better to have things be available throug hseveral different means so people can choose the side content they want to play. Even if some are better for it than others, it's definitely much nicer.

but it was gated behind heist. what's a problem if it gets gated behind lab :D i dont get it

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shadow_rps wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

There is a group that like Lab just like there is a group that like Heist. People wouldnt care if it was Heist that got cool new loot locked behind, but now that its something YOU dont like its a big deal.
Also ask yourself. How many people would do Heist if it wasnt one of the bst money in the game? How many players do it because they like it, not for the money? I would say less people than "lab runners".

Lab is just outdated content. Nothing ever happens in lab. Monsters cant even scratch you, defences and recovery needed for t16 maps completely negates all traps. Current lab runners just rush blindly 700mph skipping everything.

Heist have mechanics. Things to pay attention to, vectors to optimize, to tune way you play. Some differences to catch your eye. Lab is same tileset and same patterns over and over again. Lab enchants cost so much for a reason: players physically can't do lab even a day straight. It's soulcrushing chore, which only few can bear.

Thats why lab should be updated, not deleted.