ExileCon Put My Support Into a Conflicted Place

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

I am also conflicted.

I genuinely feel bad for those of you who feel betrayed by TencentGGG. I like some of you and hate that you feel you are being done dirty by the very people you supported all this time.

OTOH I fucking told you so HOW many times?

The sell-out didn't convince you.

The streamer priority login "for a truckload of money" didn't convince you.

The ludicrous notion of PoE "2", designed to reinvigorate the player base and attract new supporters, being forced into an outdated, bloated game didn't convince you.

The level of indignation I am seeing here is off the charts. How do you tell people with a good six decades of life experience to grow up? You are being offered, for free, a brand new, shiny AF PoE game that by all accounts looks easily as good as anything else out there WITH YOUR POE1 MTXES ATTACHED.

FFS do you have any clue how crazy that is? Service games terminate all the time and take *everything* people have purchased with them. You can bet Wilson had to explain to Tencent bigwigs why they couldn't just do that with Path of Exile. All they would see is "old game dying, new game coming, terminate and monetise".

I have never seen a more ungrateful bunch. Not in my 30 years of net usage.

Four year lie. My god. You have *no idea* how good you have it with GGG. Literally converting a sketchy expansion into a full sequel, for free, with your mtxes in it.

AND THEY ARE KEEPING THE OLD GAME GOING TOO.

Be conflicted all all you want but please recognise you spoilt you are when any other dev would simply not bother with all of that.

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eperon wrote:

Hey Nubatron, it's been a few days. Have you been able to reflect a bit more on the news from exilecon? Well, I've been thinking about it a lot and have taken the time to read other opinions on the matter.
Initially, I would have seconded your whole orignal post. It was indeed a bit of a gut punch when Jonathan said that they had decided to split up the games when they revealed act 2 (2021?). I was both worried about PoE 1's future as well as the monetary / supporter side of things.
Now, a few days later, I think I've been hit by PoE nostalgia. I started to think back to the good ole times (I see your account is few months older than mine, but we've both been here for 10+ years). I started out playing PoE very casually, had to give it a few tries over a ~1 year period before I really got into it...but I'm still a filthy casual :). I thought back to fighting Dominus for the first time, or when they released act 4 and beating Malachai was absolute hell. The diffculty back then was amazing.
I now hope, that PoE 2 will be sort of a reset. Updating some systems (which sadly won't come to PoE 1) that needed it and getting rid of some of the bloat that has accumulated over the last decade. I really hope that GGG will apply everything they have learned in all that time and recapture the feeling of the good ole days.
We'll have to wait and see. But I will definitely stop "supporting" the game for now until I get a better picture.

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Nubatron wrote:

I enjoy POE1 and thought improvements were coming to POE1 because that's what they said. My support has been based upon that illusion.

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Reid777 wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

I enjoy POE1 and thought improvements were coming to POE1 because that's what they said. My support has been based upon that illusion.

I see you are still the denial phase.

First the "improvements" you were expecting are what actaully PoE2 is (or will be)

Second, PoE2 was never meant to be and "an improvements to PoE1", it was meant to be complete overhaul of the game, including all of it's systems.

The information was available at Exilecon 2019, during various dev panels, during steamer playthroughs and on the website.

The problem he is that what "you tough" was very different than what was officially presented in 2019. You have your own personal vision of what PoE2, now you are disappointed. Well, t makes sense, but it is situation you created by yourself, it is not developers fault.

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Nubatron wrote:

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Reid777 wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

I enjoy POE1 and thought improvements were coming to POE1 because that's what they said. My support has been based upon that illusion.

I see you are still the denial phase.

First the "improvements" you were expecting are what actaully PoE2 is (or will be)

Second, PoE2 was never meant to be and "an improvements to PoE1", it was meant to be complete overhaul of the game, including all of it's systems.

The information was available at Exilecon 2019, during various dev panels, during steamer playthroughs and on the website.

The problem he is that what "you tough" was very different than what was officially presented in 2019. You have your own personal vision of what PoE2, now you are disappointed. Well, t makes sense, but it is situation you created by yourself, it is not developers fault.

You can stop responding to me. You've clearly not been reading my comments. Save yourself the trouble, as your rationalizations mean nothing to me. If you want to respond, try to respond to my actual point, which is that they said one thing and then knew it was wrong almost immediately, and continued to let us think that for over 3 years.

If you have a response to that, I'll be happy to discuss, because that's the core of where I am at this point.

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Reid777 wrote:

OF course.

First, to the best of my knowledge Act2 reveal was in April 2021, of course you might have some better information.

Developer, I believe Jonathan, commented that at after that point they "started" thinking about having 2 separate games.
That was the first thing.


Second, I would ask you, were, actually is that "big lie" that you are GGG accusing of?

If they were considering having to separate games at the same time, it probably took some time for them to exactly figure details about that. It is possible that it wasn't so simple to convince all the shareholders that keeping POE1 alive is the best choice.

So it makes sense that it has been announced a bit later.

Is that really a lie? If yes, then exactly were is it exactly?

Then, third, we come back to my original point, what kind of a difference it makes that PoE1 and PoE2 makes? At first it might sound so "dramatic", but in essence from very, very practical point of view, what difference it makes for most if not all players?

PoE2 contains all the core changes it has promised to contain (and more).*
Your MTXes are still compatible, as promised.
There is new campaign as promised.
PoE1 end-game league content is being ported into PoE2 as promised.


*- The only that is not there, are your Standard characters and items. This is truly unfortunate, but let's be honest, how successful such conversion could be anyway?

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Reid777 wrote:

PoE2 contains all the core changes it has promised to contain (and more).*

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Phrazz wrote:

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Reid777 wrote:

PoE2 contains all the core changes it has promised to contain (and more).*

This is the key here, Reid. "And more".

Because when they decided to split the games, it was BECAUSE they could do so much more; things they WOULDN'T have done if the games never got split. Which means PoE 2 will be a game full of changes some people do not want BECAUSE they split the games, and PoE 1 gets none of the changes promised.

Do you think they would've slowed the game down THAT much, if the games were still connected? Do you think they would've added a "forced" dodge roll, and tripled the attack/cast time on every skill? You will of course say "yes" here, for the sake of the discussion... So it doesn't matter. But if you REALLY do, you're delirious.

What matters (in this thread), is that we were promised certain changes to the existing game; promises moved to another game, while the existing game gets nothing. It should be pretty simple to understand, yet you are struggling.

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Phrazz wrote:

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Reid777 wrote:

PoE2 contains all the core changes it has promised to contain (and more).*

This is the key here, Reid. "And more".

Because when they decided to split the games, it was BECAUSE they could do so much more; things they WOULDN'T have done if the games never got split. Which means PoE 2 will be a game full of changes some people do not want BECAUSE they split the games, and PoE 1 gets none of the changes promised.

Do you think they would've slowed the game down THAT much, if the games were still connected? Do you think they would've added a "forced" dodge roll, and tripled the attack/cast time on every skill? You will of course say "yes" here, for the sake of the discussion... So it doesn't matter. But if you REALLY do, you're delirious.

What matters (in this thread), is that we were promised certain changes to the existing game; promises moved to another game, while the existing game gets nothing. It should be pretty simple to understand, yet you are struggling.