ExileCon Put My Support Into a Conflicted Place

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RoadshowUK wrote:

Do you remember that speech some years back where Chris talked about the development of POE and the elements which it must include to make it feel fun to play. Those are missing in what we have seen of POE2, it felt slow and cumbersome, not fast and visceral.

The combined endgame announcement was really interesting, if anyone could pull it off it was GGG. Its demise feels like accountants have decided the cost outweighs the benefit, a troubling sign for a game that has largely focussed on producing what was cool, fun and possible.

We shall wait to see what happens but I worry the game no longer knows what it wants to be. I was ready to board the hype-train but it has left the station without me.

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innervation wrote:

First, Chris did not say 'fast' was one of the elements which make an ARPG fun to play - as you can see in this timestamp of his talk

https://youtu.be/pM_5S55jUzk?t=391

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Slow it down, break it all i don't care just unify dat endgame.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Unified Endgame from the information i received was supposed to be a separated campaign experience but once you reached a certain point in each games progression you would be able to interact with the other and at this point the games would be essentially be the same except PoE1 and PoE2 would have different characters and skill tree.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

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innervation wrote:

First, Chris did not say 'fast' was one of the elements which make an ARPG fun to play - as you can see in this timestamp of his talk

https://youtu.be/pM_5S55jUzk?t=391

He does though at 3.24. "Nice, fast and action based" are his exact words.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

I am also conflicted.

I genuinely feel bad for those of you who feel betrayed by TencentGGG. I like some of you and hate that you feel you are being done dirty by the very people you supported all this time.

OTOH I fucking told you so HOW many times?

The sell-out didn't convince you.

The streamer priority login "for a truckload of money" didn't convince you.

The ludicrous notion of PoE "2", designed to reinvigorate the player base and attract new supporters, being forced into an outdated, bloated game didn't convince you.

The level of indignation I am seeing here is off the charts. How do you tell people with a good six decades of life experience to grow up? You are being offered, for free, a brand new, shiny AF PoE game that by all accounts looks easily as good as anything else out there WITH YOUR POE1 MTXES ATTACHED.

FFS do you have any clue how crazy that is? Service games terminate all the time and take *everything* people have purchased with them. You can bet Wilson had to explain to Tencent bigwigs why they couldn't just do that with Path of Exile. All they would see is "old game dying, new game coming, terminate and monetise".

I have never seen a more ungrateful bunch. Not in my 30 years of net usage.

Four year lie. My god. You have *no idea* how good you have it with GGG. Literally converting a sketchy expansion into a full sequel, for free, with your mtxes in it.

AND THEY ARE KEEPING THE OLD GAME GOING TOO.

Be conflicted all all you want but please recognise you spoilt you are when any other dev would simply not bother with all of that.

They Lied for years while taking our money, Ungrateful and Spoiled are not the words that come to mind here, And to see people turning on each other so readily all over the forum its really sad.

Would you let them keep the money you gave them if you knew this would happen?

QED. "Let them keep the money". Dude, do you even know who I am and how much money I put into PoE? Do you know how purchases work? Do you honestly think what you asked makes even a modicum of sense?

I would be embarrassed to even entertain the idea of asking for even a cent back. Every single one of you got precisely what you paid for.

What GGG do with the money from that sale is 100% their business.

Did you lot seriously think you were supporting what you are already playing? When you buy a movie ticket, you are not funding that movie. You are supplying the studio with a tiny contribution towards future projects.

Anyway I am done. I wish I were surprised that it was the players, my fellow Exiles of many years, driving me away and not GGG...but I am not. I am sure you are all okay to amazing individuals but as gamers you are collectively making me sick.

Charan out.

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vio wrote:

short answer:

ggg went overboard with game features and power creep and slowly reverting that in a process of going from poe 1 to 2 would have been a neverending shitstorm, bad publicity and reddit would be burned down and emptied (not neccessarily a bad thing).

having 2 games is supposed to be the easier way out of the situation.

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innervation wrote:

You think PoE 2 looks too slow? Fine, have that opinion. It stands in the face of a lot of circumstantial evidence though - primarily that they always demo the game in a slow state so the new audience can see what the game is supposed to be.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

QED. "Let them keep the money". Dude, do you even know who I am and how much money I put into PoE? Do you know how purchases work? Do you honestly think what you asked makes even a modicum of sense?

I would be embarrassed to even entertain the idea of asking for even a cent back. Every single one of you got precisely what you paid for.

What GGG do with the money from that sale is 100% their business.

Did you lot seriously think you were supporting what you are already playing? When you buy a movie ticket, you are not funding that movie. You are supplying the studio with a tiny contribution towards future projects.

Anyway I am done. I wish I were surprised that it was the players, my fellow Exiles of many years, driving me away and not GGG...but I am not. I am sure you are all okay to amazing individuals but as gamers you are collectively making me sick.

Charan out.

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Reid777 wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Slow it down, break it all i don't care just unify dat endgame.

But, does it makes sense in the end.
Would it be really good to force everyone to play PoE2?
As we can see, good number of players are against even minor change that PoE1 receives every league. Looks like PoE2 wouldn't make them happy at all.

I just looked a bit more into how you see the unified endgame gameplay:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Unified Endgame from the information i received was supposed to be a separated campaign experience but once you reached a certain point in each games progression you would be able to interact with the other and at this point the games would be essentially be the same except PoE1 and PoE2 would have different characters and skill tree.

On surface it would be very interesting to have option to play different campaigns that lead to end game and maybe in that way somehow differentiate your experience.

I suspect that some people might have thought about that even further. Possibly they might have though that choosing to play PoE1 campaign might result in the end-game feeling more like PoE1 experience.

For example you mentioned that characters would have different skill trees depending if their came from PoE1 or PoE2 campaign. Well, I couldn't recall or find any information of this being part of any preview. I think this is just an assumption. I believe a lot of people made some assumptions here and there.

I think it is worth looking a bit more detail here how from gameplay perspective "Two campaigns, one game would work". You couldn't have 2 different game systems that in some way clash at the end game. This is very unrealistic to expect that.

What "unified gameplay" meant in 2019, was that yes, you will be able to still play POE2 campaign, but using all the reworked systems of PoE2, even old ascendancies were going to be reworked.

In the end unification would have done more bad than good. I am afraid that only thing it would have achieved, would be ruining Standard characters and items by forcibly porting them into PoE2. It would also alienate players who truly would like to keep playing PoE1 as it was "before PoE2".

Keeping those experiences separate is probably best for most players. This way (again) probably higher percentage of them can stay happy, in contrast to original plan. Of course it won't be perfect for absolutely everyone, for variety of reasons. I 100% respect that you and other posters here, might be in that group. Although I hope that you will be able to find some joy with either Poe1 or PoE2. (Well, I hope that I will enjoy it myself. It looks very promising, but, you can never be sure how it ends up)