ExileCon Put My Support Into a Conflicted Place

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6_din_49 wrote:

I think it's fair to wait until the game gets released, then see how it goes. Until then, their budget for the new game depends on how good the current one is.

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DS_Deadman wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

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DS_Deadman wrote:

There is no reason for them to lie at all. Zero benefit. I think they likely worked to make it work closer to what they had envisioned.

They risked people not supporting because they didn't want their money going to a separate game that was not currently a playable thing. And even further, they risked people that liked POE1 not liking it being separate.

If there was no risk to it, then they should have told us in 2020 when they admitted to knowing they had to be separate games.

There was risk. They chose to withhold that information because of those risks no doubt. Now it's time to pay the piper.

I don't think so, but I could be wrong on that.

That said, I do not agree with the DOTA idea at all. GGG wants the player base to continue on and grow. If they put out POE 2 and players do not move on to it and instead continue to play POE 1, then it would be suicide to remove POE 1 or stop development and updates. Now, do they likely desire that ultimately the majority of players move to POE 2? Sure, the overhead cost of two code bases will be reason enough for that. However, as a developer, I totally understand why they ultimately decided to not continue down the combined path. That would have introduced a lot more issues and limited them tremendously on what they could do.

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Nubatron wrote:

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6_din_49 wrote:

I think it's fair to wait until the game gets released, then see how it goes. Until then, their budget for the new game depends on how good the current one is.

I do think that's the reasonable approach if you can get beyond the lie of omission. That's the part that I'm not sure I can. Clearly I'm done supporting for now; and probably until I get a warm fuzzy that POE1 is actually supported longer term.

Short of POE2 shifting dramatically, it looks to take too many leads from Ruthless for me to like it. Time will tell for sure, but if I had to make the call right now, no thanks and please don't put any of my money toward it. Since I can't control that, I know what percent of $0 will go toward it. I can control that at least. But that's not even my real issue at this point, I don't trust GGG. 3+ years of lying is a hard thing to get over.

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Nubatron wrote:

Even further, my trust for the statement that POE1 will continue to get updates is not high. Here is why: they simply can't say anything other than that. POE1 is their cash cow and the only way they finish POE2 is if POE1 continues to pull in money.

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Prizy wrote:

Hiya Nubatron,

I share the exact same sentiment. I'm basically not going to by anything else until some or all of the following things happen:

1) POE 1 Road map up to release of POE 2: Roadmap for 2023-2024 at a minimum

2) Dev Manifesto on how they plan on bringing up POE 1 to "modern standards" now that it is separate from POE2. The reason I was okay with no POE 1 4.0 was BECAUSE I thought POE 2 and POE 1 were the same game.

3) Clear and honest explanation of what POE 2 end game is and at least some indication that POE 2 will ship with an end game. I'm not trying to ride POE 2 through all of the same baby steps as POE 1 (act 3, Malachai addition, Kitava, shaper/elder, Sirus, etc).

4) Some kind of endgame demos of builds. I know Neon and a bunch of others at GGG play the game a lot. There is no reason they can't show us this when the time is right.

The 4th one can come later, but I expect some answers on the first 3. It's only fair since this whole time I thought they were perfecting the game I love instead of creating a whole different one that I may or may not enjoy.

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Nubatron wrote:

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ChanBalam wrote:

I think the decision to split the game was a recent one and made after they announced and promoted ExileCon.

They knew when Act 2 was revealed, as stated at ExileCon over this past weekend. Act 2 was revealed in early 2020.

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ChanBalam wrote:

If that is the case then the promotion for ExileCon was pretty misleading. Yes, they should have just come clean in early 2020 that they were splitting the game.

So, they are three and a half years into producing the new game and have three Acts done sufficiently to off. Not impressive. At this point I would hope that GGG would have some regular updates as the various big pieces take shape. I doubt that though. They could show drafts of the skill tree workings without all the details; they could show us weapon or armor mod tables; They could tell us which POE1 unique items will transfer over; etc.

Holding out for the "big reveal" after a year is bad marketing.

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Gescom wrote:

>>Legal Notice: Everything I'm typing right now is wrought with bitterness, so....yeah.<<

Is this still in effect?