ExileCon Put My Support Into a Conflicted Place

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6_din_49 wrote:

Why worry about how is the game going to be in 2 years from now? If you like the game now, I think it's money well spent buying a supporter pack every now and then.

Why worry that they have been misleading me/us since 2020? I support knowing that it is going toward something I enjoy and believe in. I do enjoy the game (POE1). I supported in part because I believed in the upcoming changes they promised in 2019. I probably would have continued to support if they had told the truth in 2020.

Now there are three years of lying, and the trust deficit is huge for me. I think POE1 will get the DOTA treatment, and as soon as POE2 is generating enough revenue, it will go into maintenance. Knowing that a huge chunk of my support goes to a game that I don't give a damn about is annoying at best. Knowing that my money is going to a company that has been lying for years is unacceptable.

So at this point, the title of this thread is misleading because I don't feel conflicted anymore. When I started this thread, I didn't know that they knew in 2020 that they were separate games. The conflict is gone. I'm done.

I'll probably play POE1 until the servers get turned off (unless I can't get beyond this shit). And I've spent more than enough to justify never spending another penny without an ounce of guilt.

They call it support packs for a reason. If I can't justify my support because I can't trust the developer, then why would I do it?

While I actually love what I have seen from POE 2 and understand that things they posted back in 2019 were always subject to change, there is nothing wrong with you doing you on this. It is one way to make your point as a consumer. If enough agree with your view, the company feels it, if not they don't.

Personally, I don't think they lied so much as found that it wouldn't work as they had hoped. There was no benefit for them to do so.

I think it's fair to wait until the game gets released, then see how it goes. Until then, their budget for the new game depends directly on how good the current one is.

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DS_Deadman wrote:

While I actually love what I have seen from POE 2 and understand that things they posted back in 2019 were always subject to change, there is nothing wrong with you doing you on this. It is one way to make your point as a consumer. If enough agree with your view, the company feels it, if not they don't.

Personally, I don't think they lied so much as found that it wouldn't work as they had hoped. There was no benefit for them to do so.

I honestly don't think they lied in 2019; I truly believe ExileCon 2019 was an accurate assessment of their thoughts at that moment. I think they lied in 2020. The moment they knew they were separate games and chose to not tell us for over three years, that's when it became a lie of omission. They were no longer acting in good faith with us at that point.

If they would have been honest in 2020, I wouldn't have this huge trust deficit. I don't believe anything they're saying now. I'm so cynical that I believe POE1 is only here to fund POE2 and when POE2 can stand on its own, POE1 goes the way of DOTA. And here is the thing, nothing GGG could say would change my mind on that because now they have a track record of saying something, changing their mind almost immediately and withholding that information until they can't withhold it anymore.

I think the decision to split the game was a recent one and made after they announced and promoted ExileCon.

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Nubatron wrote:

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DS_Deadman wrote:

While I actually love what I have seen from POE 2 and understand that things they posted back in 2019 were always subject to change, there is nothing wrong with you doing you on this. It is one way to make your point as a consumer. If enough agree with your view, the company feels it, if not they don't.

Personally, I don't think they lied so much as found that it wouldn't work as they had hoped. There was no benefit for them to do so.

I honestly don't think they lied in 2019; I truly believe ExileCon 2019 was an accurate assessment of their thoughts at that moment. I think they lied in 2020. The moment they knew they were separate games and chose to not tell us for over three years, that's when it became a lie of omission. They were no longer acting in good faith with us at that point.

If they would have been honest in 2020, I wouldn't have this huge trust deficit. I don't believe anything they're saying now. I'm so cynical that I believe POE1 is only here to fund POE2 and when POE2 can stand on its own, POE1 goes the way of DOTA. And here is the thing, nothing GGG could say would change my mind on that because now they have a track record of saying something, changing their mind almost immediately and withholding that information until they can't withhold it anymore.

There is no reason for them to lie at all. Zero benefit. I think they likely worked to make it work closer to what they had envisioned.

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ChanBalam wrote:

I think the decision to split the game was a recent one and made after they announced and promoted ExileCon.

They knew when Act 2 was revealed, as stated at ExileCon over this past weekend. Act 2 was revealed in early 2020.

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I just don't think there is a way to avoid funding POE2; and that feels like throwing money at the thing that very well may kill the game I actually like.

Well, there is. They could at least add a short survey with a few question when you are buying a supporter pack, but at this point I think they lack the chaos stones and the integrity for that. If the results arent onesided towards Path of Exile 2: Ruthless Boogaloo, it will be a PR nightmare for them.

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DS_Deadman wrote:

There is no reason for them to lie at all. Zero benefit. I think they likely worked to make it work closer to what they had envisioned.

They risked people not supporting because they didn't want their money going to a separate game that was not currently a playable thing. And even further, they risked people that liked POE1 not liking it being separate.

If there was no risk to it, then they should have told us in 2020 when they admitted to knowing they had to be separate games.

There was risk. They chose to withhold that information because of those risks no doubt. Now it's time to pay the piper.

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Nubatron wrote:

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DS_Deadman wrote:

There is no reason for them to lie at all. Zero benefit. I think they likely worked to make it work closer to what they had envisioned.

They risked people not supporting because they didn't want their money going to a separate game that was not currently a playable thing. And even further, they risked people that liked POE1 not liking it being separate.

If there was no risk to it, then they should have told us in 2020 when they admitted to knowing they had to be separate games.

There was risk. They chose to withhold that information because of those risks no doubt. Now it's time to pay the piper.

I don't think so, but I could be wrong on that.

That said, I do not agree with the DOTA idea at all. GGG wants the player base to continue on and grow. If they put out POE 2 and players do not move on to it and instead continue to play POE 1, then it would be suicide to remove POE 1 or stop development and updates. Now, do they likely desire that ultimately the majority of players move to POE 2? Sure, the overhead cost of two code bases will be reason enough for that. However, as a developer, I totally understand why they ultimately decided to not continue down the combined path. That would have introduced a lot more issues and limited them tremendously on what they could do.