New SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 Thread

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

...how is this china as a state intentionally sending out bad stuff to the west to pull some kind of trick on us? that is a spin...

If you wish to present a point and then argue against it, don't make it sound like I was the one who made it.

I didn't say that China was doing this purposefully. I was addressing the fact that it's not "propaganda" that defective products are being returned.

If that wasn't clear, I apologize.

However, we'd have to know details about the manufacturer to make any further assumptions or declarations. If it's a state controlled, subsidized, wholly or partially owned company, which is possible in China, then the fault may indeed lie more directly under the control of the Chinese government.

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Morkonan wrote:

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..ultimately china want to be friends with the west, they want to get along with us, trade with us, co-exist peacefully with us. the west doesnt agree, especially america. america needs enemies and it will stop at nothing to make china the next one now that the old propaganda about russia has worn hollow.

I don't even know where this comes from, but I don't think it's based on any facts.

Nobody wants and nobody needs "enemies." Saying they do is... propaganda. :)

that is a naive view of the world that unfortunately is not based on the facts.

ROFL! "Naive?" After what you wrote above?

"love and kisses and hugs from china

America is only Bad Man."

Anyway, this is going far from where it needs to be focused - The Corona Virus Epidemic.

THAT is the issue. In this crisis we should be putting aside at least some of our differences in order to save lives. Right? Shouldn't we be doing that as independent countries? As individual people?

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THAT is the issue. In this crisis we should be putting aside at least some of our differences in order to save lives. Right? Shouldn't we be doing that as independent countries? As individual people?

We used to do this. When I was a kid.

America was our value. We Democrat or Republican. Or whatever.

Now, it is us vs them. From within. A house divided falls.

Corona is just icing on the cake for our real advesaries.

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Morkonan wrote:

In this crisis we should be putting aside at least some of our differences in order to save lives. Right? Shouldn't we be doing that as independent countries? As individual people?

Nah. Things are getting worse, which means it's the perfect time for blame games and shifting responsibility. If people can solve a problem easily, they might focus on that. But there are no easy solutions for this outbreak now. So the more rational choice then is to ensure that at least you, or your country or govt., can't be blamed for it. After all, even if you act responsibly, things are gonna be bad. So, assuming you live to have to face the future (which is still vastly more likely for most people), it's important that the poor state of your household or country isn't blamed on your govt.

Subtitles can be turned on from YT menu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2_55vbrMec&feature=emb_title

Alright, the new cases in Italy are dropping. Hope it finally sticks.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Alright, the new cases in Italy are dropping. Hope it finally sticks.

Let's hope. Unfortunately no one knows how to lift the quarantine. As soon as you do death rates will soar again. So I guess we should all prepare to stay indoors for quite some time..

Gradually I believe. What China is doing. Start little by little and see if the infections are going to stay low. Obviously social distancing is here to stay for months.

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Exile009 wrote:

You must be new to Altna's posts lol. They're all like that. He never speaks directly or in a straightforward fashion (which is probably a smart move on these forums, given the mod policy).

I am pointing out if you didn’t understand someone in English, they can't speak clearly or communicate effectively. I am expressing my perspective, it is their problem not mine. They can continue to be unintelligible.

175 deaths in The Netherlands in a single day, which brings them to over a thousand. Only the hardest hit countries in Europe, the US, Iran and China have reported more than that so far. Guess the 70% immunity doesn't look so good now.