Why is there no auction house in POE?

Flooding the market relies on a ton of logical fallacies and could be easily prevented by putting an auction deposit/minimum, timers, cap on number of items that could be placed, and tying the AH entirely to a new type of stash tab even..

The vast majority of players would put few items up for the AH, and with a $30 or so cost for AH tab I doubt much bot activity would take place.

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kartelusm wrote:

Jesus, this is hilarious.

nobody, in fact, knows what AH would do to an economy, so the obvious thing to do would be to test it in a league.

And all the comparisons with D3 are idiotic at best - that game was designed around the existence of REAL MONEY AH. That was the main reason, the percentage Blizzard was taking.

LOL to the max. GGG is deathly afraid that an AH would wreck the PoE economy and subsequently wreck their free-to-play business model and put them out of business. So GGG is not going to upset the apple cart... err... their mtx cash crop player-base by experimenting with an AH. It's N-E-V-E-R going to be done in PoE. Only if everyone were to boycott all mtx until GGG replaces trade-chat would they even think about replacing trade-chat. Getting all players to agree to boycott all mtx until GGG caves and replaces/fixes trade-chat isn't happening either. But go ahead and talk up the "Why no AH?" all you want until you are blue in the face. That won't influence GGG at all.

Yeah, Chris either ignores solutions to problems or doesnt care.

Example

Make it cost 2C or 1/10th of the listed item cost, whichever is more, to list items.

Items stay up 3 days, then you'd have to pay to repost.

No one will flood the market, you dont have to adjust drop rates.

If I'm wrong about the exact costs, adjust them.

5c and 20%, and stay up 2 days. Or if it was too strict, 1c and 5%, and stay up 4 days.



No one can know the magic number that will balance out to the current rate of trade, but it exists. The fact that you'd have to play with the system to balance is nothing new, PoE is rebalanced every league.

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trixxar wrote:

Yeah, Chris either ignores solutions to problems or doesnt care.

Example

Make it cost 2C or 1/10th of the listed item cost, whichever is more, to list items.

Items stay up 3 days, then you'd have to pay to repost.

No one will flood the market, you dont have to adjust drop rates.

If I'm wrong about the exact costs, adjust them.

5c and 20%, and stay up 2 days. Or if it was too strict, 1c and 5%, and stay up 4 days.



No one can know the magic number that will balance out to the current rate of trade, but it exists. The fact that you'd have to play with the system to balance is nothing new, PoE is rebalanced every league.

OMG how did we not think of this before this brilliant. Can you just answer few questions about your amazing plan please?

1) how you going to calculate 10 percent of 1 chaos?
2) if it is fixed price (2c for example) are you ok with leveling items going from 1 alc to at least 2.5c? Or actually extinct because who would gamble 2c for 1 alc trade?
3) do you feel it is ok for item to be lost if it is misspriced by accident?
4) are you ok with tons of players having to resort to trade chat to avoid fees? And reading trade chat probably gives you cancer after 20 min IMHO.
5) how would currency exchange work?

I got tons more questions but typing on phone sucks so good enough for now.

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Deathfairy wrote:

1) how you going to calculate 10 percent of 1 chaos?
2) if it is fixed price (2c for example) are you ok with leveling items going from 1 alc to at least 2.5c? Or actually extinct because who would gamble 2c for 1 alc trade?
3) do you feel it is ok for item to be lost if it is misspriced by accident?
4) are you ok with tons of players having to resort to trade chat to avoid fees? And reading trade chat probably gives you cancer after 20 min IMHO.
5) how would currency exchange work?

I got tons more questions but typing on phone sucks so good enough for now.

1 - 2c or 1/10th, whichever is more. So, never calculate below a chaos, and round up. Below 20 chaos = 2c. 20 to 30 chaos = 3c, 30 to 40 = 4c. Simple, eh?

2 - Its not perfect but its a straight upgrade to not having it.

3 - Add a confirm when listing. Like other games with an AH.

4 - Why take down current system? Supplement it, not replace. Some people like haggling, let them keep current lists. The two are not competing.

5 - Same way it already does just with an ingame menu. The trade API already lists people selling currency for other currency, why would this be different.


Now, I actually think this is all dumb, and that people are chicken little with the sky falling. I dont think much would actually change with an AH. I would try out a lot more builds and spend more time playing, because I could more easily run the content I want rather than messaging people.

My point above is that even if you are right about the sky falling, there are 10,000 ways to gate the AH. This is but one.

While I understand their reasoning for not having an auction house, don’t blame me then for verbally hammering on people who are not answering my “want to buy” trade whispers. If you don’t want to answer or be bothered,
then don’t put fucking shit up for sale then! Or, change your trade tabs to non-public until you have more time

Oh right but i am slow can you clarify few more things?

1. How you calculating 1 exalt 1 mirror?

2. Upgrade over not having what? Leveling gear i buy every league for 1 alch each league?

3. There is confirm trade button now and yet that does not stop scamming being cited as reason for ah does it?

4. Who said anything about competing. Now trade chat has massive advantage it does not pays fees to GGG. So you heavily encoraged to use it now is that acceptable outcome?

5. So you would be able to trade currency free of charge unlike items? Great, then how do we make sure fee less currency market does not gets abbused same was item market can?

6. Do you feel it is ok to pay 9c to ggg each time you want to buy 9 humilities first day of the league?

7. Do you think that is ok for new players to loose tons of currency a day because they cant price items correctly in thin range of not too low not much? And come cry rivers that they lost 20 30 c and no one bought chit?

8. Is it ok for common non currency items like fragments to basically at least double in price? And then no one posts them at all?

9.In general is that ok for low cost items to increase in price by 50% -100% when you are trying to "fix" low value trades, since high value trades are much more rare and generaly have no issues already?

10. oh and one more, so i farm for 4 hours and get my tabula now i want to sell it. I check the price and lowest price is 30c. I am like ok i ll set it for 29c (i pay 3c to gg to list it) Now i get undercut and over next few hours price drops to 27c while mine still sits at 29c. Do i need to take it of and relist for 25c paying (2-3c again?) god forbid price drops again... i guess i ll set it for 20c just to be sure. So now i payed 5c to gg to sell item for 20c. That sounds like fun gameplay to me. does it sounds fun to you as well?

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Deathfairy wrote:

Oh right but i am slow can you clarify few more things?

1. How you calculating 1 exalt 1 mirror?

2. Upgrade over not having what? Leveling gear i buy every league for 1 alch each league?

3. There is confirm trade button now and yet that does not stop scamming being cited as reason for ah does it?

4. Who said anything about competing. Now trade chat has massive advantage it does not pays fees to GGG. So you heavily encoraged to use it now is that acceptable outcome?

5. So you would be able to trade currency free of charge unlike items? Great, then how do we make sure fee less currency market does not gets abbused same was item market can?

6. Do you feel it is ok to pay 9c to ggg each time you want to buy 9 humilities first day of the league?

7. Do you think that is ok for new players to loose tons of currency a day because they cant price items correctly in thin range of not too low not much? And come cry rivers that they lost 20 30 c and no one bought chit?

8. Is it ok for common non currency items like fragments to basically at least double in price? And then no one posts them at all?

9.In general is that ok for low cost items to increase in price by 50% -100% when you are trying to "fix" low value trades, since high value trades are much more rare and generaly have no issues already?

10. oh and one more, so i farm for 4 hours and get my tabula now i want to sell it. I check the price and lowest price is 30c. I am like ok i ll set it for 29c (i pay 3c to gg to list it) Now i get undercut and over next few hours price drops to 27c while mine still sits at 29c. Do i need to take it of and relist for 25c paying (2-3c again?) god forbid price drops again... i guess i ll set it for 20c just to be sure. So now i payed 5c to gg to sell item for 20c. That sounds like fun gameplay to me. does it sounds fun to you as well?

Im sure your objection seem clever to you, but they are fairly simple, and/or things every AH or even other trade systems deal with .

1 - Average c/ex over last 3 leagues. Also, mirrors dont really need an AH do they.

2 - Which you can still buy. Upgrade to sending dozens of messages for people who would rather spend c than time.

3 - Accidents arent scams. Not sure why trade is a place we have to save people from their mistakes.

4 - You can already use it? This one makes no sense, it will not be cheaper or more expensive to use it before or after.

5 - Charge a fee (limit trades to multiples of 10, 10% tax). Again, I think youre wrong and it wouldnt be a problem. Just pointing out your own arguments have relatively easy solutions.

6 - Again, I dont think the fees are needed, but why is this wrong? Dont like it? Dont use it. At worst, it doesnt impact you.

7 - You want to babysit everyone? They already cry and getting scammed is objectively worse than not doing your own research before posting.

8 - Again, still better than current system. And again, my take is you dont need this at all.

9 - And yet again, even this system is infinitely better than what we have now. And again, the fee is to address YOUR fears, not mine.

10 - Why do you want to be babysat? If people are willing to undercut then there would already be tabula up for 27c in the first place. If you fear losing the money, then dont use the AH. And yes, this sounds INFINITELY more fun to me than sending 40 messages to unresponsive people before logging off in disgust.

Many of us are having misconception to e.g. price of an item in PoE. we have excessive amount of loots. those are not useless. we can vendor it to create the crafting ingredients if we cannot utilize it directly. etc etc

Many reasoning for having AH is suggesting that they want to remove those value creation process "properly®" and the actual misconception is lying here.

While we are talking about the market, this game is about players, community and contents. We are not supposed to have materials directly into our stash (I'm not talking about giveaways or gambling.) GGG designed to supply materials through contents. And some are actually trying to nullify this structure/process purposefully because of a misconception. Having something good is fine but is it really an AH ?

I'm not here to claim that I am right and "they" are wrong. I am asking if you have an idea to implement an "AH or w/e they want" with automated transaction while excluding its basic functionality, that tends to nullify the ground structure of PoE, from "AH or w/e they want".

You don't have to copy&paste same thing from everywhere (like an AH does) for me to "just to answer" = nullify the process of value creation.

Edit: I haven't read the Chris's post and I wouldn't until I see it's mandatory to share the details to help understanding in the community. I'd rather read their message and footprint through game contents before it loses their temperature.

1) Average over last 3 leagues? You are aware exalt price got from about 20c to 200c over life of the league right?

2)No you can't because in order to place 1 alch item you have to pay 1 alch, and if it does not sell you lose 1 alch. That is a gamble at best, nearly no one will do it after they lose they investments. Are you dumb or pretending this is not the case?

3) I mispriced more items this league then attempts to be scamed. Sounds like major down grade to me. (suppose to be better remeber?)

4) You really can't use trade channel, give it a try. But you are taking away my FREE ability to list items. And if somehow in your head it work along side existing system, you are 1) did not say that in any way shape or form 2) delusional that some one will post item on AH for a price as opposed to free on existing system.

4. So now we charge 10% anytime you want to exchange your ex for chaos? Are you serious? Even scamming rates in trade are better than that. So yet again you just push people to trade channels..

5. Don't like it don't use it.. you do remember you took away official trade. And yet again if you think they can coexist you are outright delusional.

6. I am sorry what? fees are not needed now? You do remember you are answering clarifying questions about your amazing idea with fees right?

7. You do remember the idea is to improve trade not to make it worse and better just for you personally? (even tho i am sure you wont like reality of AH once you actualy see what it really does.)

8. So remove them from the game because YOU can't buy them and that is somehow better then current where i personally have no issues buying them in bulk? So nothing changes for you and and for me i can't get them now, sounds like improvement.

9. That is not an answer i have no issues buying 1 alch upgrades early in the league for like 10 leagues now. So not being able to buy them at all or for more then double the price is not infinitely better. I am sorry what no fees again? You do remember you answering clarifying questions on your amazing idea with AH and fees? (or it is not so amazing now? and we discussing Ah with no fees? which is full of different issues?)

10. I am not sure what logic is that? If people were willing to undercut (which 100% they are) there would be tabula for 27. But if there was tabula for 27 you post for 26... But if people are willing to undercut there would be tabula for 26 already right by your logic 26 steps later we have to have tabulas for 1c.
Now i traded alot this league and if you willing to overpay 5c for tabula i doubt you have to wisper more then once imho. And you 40 messages is outright BS while we at it. Stop using poe.trade (no one said lagy unresponsive API is good)

11. while we at it Unless you have 3 c you cant EVEN sell your tabula under your proposal.

12. And god forbid you find a more expensive item, then you have to grind 20-30 c before you can even attempt to sell it?And if it did not sell fast and price dropped you lost 30c first few days of the league even tho you did not try to scam or overprice item and yet you get punished with 30c fine??? You really going to tell me that is better system?