[3.5] The Blinding Blizzard - Whispering Ice CI Elequisitor - Viable For Everything

so what the better option scion or ocultist? Wanna start league with this character... Why new orb skill dont so good with scion?

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Nephentus wrote:

so what the better option scion or ocultist? Wanna start league with this character... Why new orb skill dont so good with scion?

Nobody ever said that. New winter orb is equally good whether you are scion or occultist, whether you use cold version or fire convert version. Winter orb is equal in all of them.

Discussion about scion vs occultist is only about - scion is definitely better in damage, occultist have about 20% less damage (which is huge), but occultist have some sick defensive options, huge ES pool and stun immunity.
It's our usual "damage vs defence" considerations.

It is good with Scion, probably better than Occultist if damage is your main concern. We're just trying to figure out if Occultist brings enough things to the table to be considered worthwhile.

I've always thought this build mainly has an abundance of damage. So going for something more defensive, might be realy fun this league. I have no fears, that the damage will be still be sufficient.

on a full cold version, what about using coldsnap with the new Bonechill support ?

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Inialla wrote:

on a full cold version, what about using coldsnap with the new Bonechill support ?

So much to do...
cast storm brand to apply EE, cast frost bomb to apply cold res debuff, cast coldsnap to apply bonechill...

Preferably, i would like link bonechill to frost bomb instead. Even though that coldsnap have "increase effect of chill", which in turn will increase damage taken through bonechill... but i'll rather have ammount of skills that i need to use at minimum.

Also, we don't really know how stacking chill works right now, need to test. If all chills stays on target simultanieously, and only strongest apply (like an ignite), then it's no problem. But if chills overwriting themselves, then we better just forget about bonechill support altogether, unless it's in our main link.

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Med1umentor wrote:

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Nephentus wrote:

so what the better option scion or ocultist? Wanna start league with this character... Why new orb skill dont so good with scion?

Nobody ever said that. New winter orb is equally good whether you are scion or occultist, whether you use cold version or fire convert version. Winter orb is equal in all of them.

Discussion about scion vs occultist is only about - scion is definitely better in damage, occultist have about 20% less damage (which is huge), but occultist have some sick defensive options, huge ES pool and stun immunity.
It's our usual "damage vs defence" considerations.

ок i see, i think i go scion... But not decide make pure cold or fire? What better? or they the same?

long time not played but, frost bomb doesn't chill during the pulse right ? only on the explosion, and with our increased durationon on the tree, it would take too much time to be effective.

The main ways to die for me are either some stun(lock), or I can't leech enough due to the leech cap which depends on the amount of ES: high ES gear is expensive. Or third, one hit death by some massive damage

All of these are mitigated by occultist: stun-immune and a quite higher amount of ES.

Since we are a face-tank build imho it doesn't matter much if we take 20% longer to kill the boss since we now have 20% less damage.Though I'm not sure if it's only 20%, since we have 20% less raw damage and additionally lose the 3-24% fire penetration from scorching ray.

Question about HoA vs. HoI: is the HoI shatter so much better than the Fire AOE from HoA?

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HHLupus wrote:

The main ways to die for me are either some stun(lock), or I can't leech enough due to the leech cap which depends on the amount of ES: high ES gear is expensive. Or third, one hit death by some massive damage

All of these are mitigated by occultist: stun-immune and a quite higher amount of ES.

Since we are a face-tank build imho it doesn't matter much if we take 20% longer to kill the boss since we now have 20% less damage.Though I'm not sure if it's only 20%, since we have 20% less raw damage and additionally lose the 3-24% fire penetration from scorching ray.

Question about HoA vs. HoI: is the HoI shatter so much better than the Fire AOE from HoA?

My thoughts exactly, the initial stun not mitigated by the Brine King Pantheon hurts sometimes and more ES is always safer.

If we have enough damage for trash anyway and we can outleech damage from big bosses and survive one-shots, Occultist is the logical better choice for me.

If the numbers are correct, of course :)