False Minimum Hardware Requirements

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Alternatively, you could invest the same money you’re planning to spend on the GabeCube into a small form-factor mid-tier PC.

But that's not what I'm planning, I simply hope to be gifted a newer PC for free. Or a Steam Machine, whichever comes first. That's simply all I can do.

Also people with insanely good PCs have shader issues and 5 minute loading screens, many have commented on other threads already.

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

it runs stuff well enough

Respectfully - I believe the point of your posts had been that this isn't the case?

Sure; if you download a game from 2016 then your video card from 2016 will run it just fine. But more modern games will have been optimised around running on more modern hardware.

Yeeeah, the thing is I can run games from 2019 perfectly fine. 2 Examples:
Persona 5 Royal: 60 fps,GPU temp only goes up to 40 Celsius,GPU usage only 30%,CPU Usage only 10% in most cases. Released on Steam in 2022.

Kingdom Hearts 3: Unreal Engine 4 game,released in 2019. Runs butter-smooth at 60 fps even when spamming stuff with lots of enemies on-screen,GPU temp never exceeded 60 celsius in hundreds of hours of playtime. Never had performance issues,constant 60 fps because that's what I locked it to. The game is just very well optimized.

Ok so these games that came out in 2019 and 2022 run perfectly, PC fans don't go crazy or anything.

PoE: GPU temp can reach 70C if doing blight or party play. Shader issues since this patch, game had fast loading screens and no issues before 3.27. Shaders only took me a few seconds to load any time I entered a map during Mercenaries League. My loading times were a bit scuffed at the start of 3.27, a random nvidia driver update fixed that a little bit. And then nothing changed since then.

Keepers of the Flame wasn't some huge engine overhaul,or big expansion or anything. It was a regular old league, and the game got bricked for so many people.

When you have this many people bringing up problems in so many different threads in bug reports and so on, with so many different PCs then its clearly something wrong with this patch.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

But that's not what I'm planning, I simply hope to be gifted a newer PC for free. Or a Steam Machine, whichever comes first. That's simply all I can do.

Well, it’s Christmas, and if no one close to you has thought to gift you one (which, you know, happens), it’s probably not going to magically come from a stranger either. I mean, during the time when gifts are the norm, and obviously the performance upgrade still hasn’t made its way to you on its own, looks like it’s up to you to make it happen.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Yeeeah, the thing is I can run games from 2019 perfectly fine.

Cool.

But 2019 is a helluva lot closer to your video card's 2016 release date than to PoE 2's official launch in 2026 or 2027 (without meaning to be rude - do I really need to point this out?)

You might be interpreting my previous post overly literally - I don't mean to say "your video card released in 2016 - anything released on 01 / 01 / 2017 or later is going to run terribly on it". I just mean the hardware is a product of its time, and many more recent games won't run well on it.

Back in the day I had a GTX 770. I thought it was awesome, and it ran the games I was playing back then super well. I replaced it - twice, technically - because I was interested in running more modern games and the 770 was beginning to shows its age.

I'm really not sure what, exactly, it is that you are trying to argue. It's not some off-the-wall conspiracy theory that more modern hardware is more powerful than older hardware and that software gradually becomes more demanding over time. If you're rejecting that then you're going to find just about everyone disagrees with you.

A case in point: Nvidia's latest 50-series doesn't have a __50 Ti model. You might be inclined to argue the point - but the Titanium models typically fall closer in performance to the next card up than their non-Ti equivalent, so I'll compare the GTX 1050 Ti to the RTX 5060.

I don't personally believe that UserBenchmark is a particularly reliable website, but it's good enough as a rough apples-to-apples comparison (e.g. not comparing manufacturers).

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-5060-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/4184vs3649



It's not exactly a story of "the newer card is 5% more capable than the older one."

I mean - on the one hand you're telling us

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

I dunno why it matters what year whatever part was manufactured in

But then, in the same thread, we also get

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

It is what it is, if I had the money to throw at a new PC I'd do it right now

If the year of a component's manufacturing doesn't matter, why would you want newer components?

You've said multiple things that make me regard your technical proficiency as being a bit dubious - and appearing to lack a coherent narrative isn't really helping there. This affects assertions like telling us people with powerful computers are having problems - without meaning to be rude, I'm not sure you know which computers are powerful and which are not.

AMD were selling the mid-range RX 470 (8GB) card in August 2016. Earlier in the thread you rejected the assertion that your video card with half the VRAM of this AMD one would be considered entry-level in December 2025. Half the VRAM. A decade later.

If you take issue with what most would consider to be objective facts, it does harm your credibility.

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Yeeeah, the thing is I can run games from 2019 perfectly fine.

Cool.

But 2019 is a helluva lot closer to your video card's 2016 release date than to PoE 2's official launch in 2026 or 2027 (without meaning to be rude - do I really need to point this out?)

Wat? No its not rude its all cool, and I'm not even talking about PoE 2 here. I'm talking about PoE 1. This game came out in 2013. I ain't even gonna try running PoE 2 that game made my GPU go to 70C on the main menu lmao,I agree with OP that the minimum requirements are misleading. You will cook your GPU if you try to run PoE 2 on a GTX960(3GB).


And no matter how many screenshots I see of random pc parts costing X amount of euros, that's currently 2.5x the price where I live because of conversion rates, but also I simply don't work and have no income. Sooooo all I can do atm is hope someone just gifts me a newer PC. It is what it is I guess.

I get that newer pc parts and series of GPUs and stuff come out every year. Its not that I refuse to buy it, I just haven't had the opportunity to lol

And yeah guess I took stuff too literally, and my bad if I made it sound like I was talking about PoE 2 lol,that wasn't my intention.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

This game came out in 2013. I ain't even gonna try running PoE 2 that game made my GPU go to 70C on the main menu lmao,I agree with OP that the minimum requirements are misleading. You will cook your GPU if you try to run PoE 2 on a GTX960(3GB).

Although the game was initially released in 2013, it is important to acknowledge the numerous enhancements and improvements it has undergone over the years. The system requirements originally set in 2013 no longer accurately reflect the game's current demands, as subsequent updates and engine optimizations have made the game inherently more resource-intensive.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

And no matter how many screenshots I see of random pc parts costing X amount of euros, that's currently 2.5x the price where I live because of conversion rates, but also I simply don't work and have no income. Sooooo all I can do atm is hope someone just gifts me a newer PC. It is what it is I guess.

They are only 'random' if you lack a fundamental understanding of hardware; in such cases, it would be advisable not to engage in debates with individuals who possess greater expertise on the subject.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

I get that newer pc parts and series of GPUs and stuff come out every year. Its not that I refuse to buy it, I just haven't had the opportunity to lol

Surely, if upgrading was a priority, 3-4 years would have provided ample time to invest in a new system. Yet, rather than addressing the issue with an upgrade, the focus remains on blaming the game.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Surely, if upgrading was a priority, 3-4 years would have provided ample time to invest in a new system. Yet, rather than addressing the issue with an upgrade, the focus remains on blaming the game.

I already said why I can't. So getting some kinda free gift is my only option, and until then all I can do is keep asking for the game to be optimized and bugs/shader isses/loading times to be fixed. It is what it is.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

I already said why I can't. So getting some kinda free gift is my only option, and until then all I can do is keep asking for the game to be optimized and bugs/shader isses/loading times to be fixed. It is what it is.

There’s little anyone can do to enhance the performance of your hardware.
If finances are the issue, wouldn't it be more practical to consider finding a job, rather than waiting for some sort of miracle? After all, a new PC won’t appear out of nowhere, nor can the developers magically fix your hardware.
Based on your mention of the euro as your currency, it's reasonable to assume you're in the EU, where securing a part-time job in many well-developed countries should be relatively straightforward.

Such a job would likely provide enough to purchase a new system in a short amount of time along with other essentials.
Given your claim of playing games 16 hours a day, it might be worth considering whether prioritizing this issue over others is the wisest approach, but of course, that’s entirely up to you.

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

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A case in point: Nvidia's latest 50-series doesn't have a __50 Ti model.

What? I have RTX 5060Ti from palit with 8GB vRAM in my new rig. I got it just two weeks before RAM situation we have.

Now because of that situation im aware that many manufacturers resigned from low prices configs because RAM prices but that model exists.

Like here for example: https://www.amazon.com/5060ti/s?k=5060ti

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de99ial#0161 wrote:

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

A case in point: Nvidia's latest 50-series doesn't have a __50 Ti model.

What? I have RTX 5060Ti

A fifty sixty titanium is not a fifty fifty titanium.

You misread my post.

People with 9+ year old (entry level hardware) complaining about performance of modern, frequently updated and modernized games. You love to see it.

I'd rather GGG keeps the improvements and new features coming. Actively holding your game back just to support a small minority isn't good business.

Software advances and eventually surpasses weaker, decrepit hardware. This isn't a GGG thing. It's how the industry works since the 1980s.