Why T18 Maps Are Necessary for the Future of Endgame PoE

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

Okay then consider my replies is asking for a thing I personally care about which happens to be opposite to what you ask.

Just stop wrapping your personal wants as if they would be an objective, universal improvement for everyone. You dont really care about how any of it would affect the remainder of the playerbase.

I must ask you to stop being so belligerent and downright antagonistic. You have typed 10 replies and basically only ever said "I disagree completely and you are stupid for suggesting this"

If you have some, lets say, more sensible words of wisdom to share I invite you to do so but man we are just past christmas, so relax buddy.

Pretty sure I not only said I disagree but also said why. I described the undesirable impacts of your wants.

The rest is you, once again, twisting what I said and misrepresenting my intentions.

I am only here to argue against your ideas. Yes, subjectively I think they are bad ideas.

You are calling me belligerent while addressing me as "buddy" when I am clearly not your buddy in the same post. Its chefs kiss. Tone policing, condescending and patronizing. Such a buddy you are. Such a nice person on the nice forum.

Respectfully you seem a bit heated and overreact to something that is merely a harmless suggestion. Can I ask you to just close this thread for now, perhaps cool down a bit, and then join the discussion (which is now derailed, anyway) again when you can argue in good faith?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it doesn't have to be like this.

It is you guys who can't keep this argument to the point and in good faith, not me.

Nothing about this, from your camp, is in good faith, when you use every bad faith trick in the book to duck the fact that the argument is simply about your personal preferences versus mine. You just cannot abandon your need to present your wants as universal good when fact alone that I am here stating my opposition is all the proof necessary to conclude that expanding the game vertically is not a universal good.

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

It is you guys who can't keep this argument to the point and in good faith, not me.

Nothing about this, from your camp, is in good faith, when you use every bad faith trick in the book to duck the fact that the argument is simply about your personal preferences versus mine. You just cannot abandon your need to present your wants as universal good when fact alone that I am here stating my opposition is all the proof necessary to conclude that expanding the game vertically is not a universal good.

Of course it is about personal preference, duh. That's what feedback is. I feel PoE is lacking in the higher end and thus I made a reasonable suggestion. You're free to disagree but that doesn't have to end with you derailing the thread, steering away from the core discussion.

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

I can literally call shenaningans on your terrible "explanations" why expanding vertically is necessary and it will also do nothing for this argument as you calling shenanigans first.

....except you missed the point where your entire opinion is based on a lie and misinformation.

You can argue the reasons why the earth being flat is a good thing all you want....but if its based on the opinion that the earth is flat then you've already lost.

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

I am here stating my opposition is all the proof necessary to conclude that expanding the game vertically is not a universal good.

You're wrong buddy.

There's disagreeing, and then there's spamming a thread while being antagonistic like this.

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

As to your other points - it was already explained to you why constantly expanding the game vertically instead of horizontally makes for less of game, not more.

You mean that debunked bit by Z3ro? Because that was utter nonsense. By that logic you should remove T11-T17 maps because then *every* build is able to clear all mapping content.

Like, why do we have to explain this basic stuff again. That was debunked pages ago

I am not steering this thread away from the core discussion.

I am onboard with any amount of new optional challenge with increased reward quantity for the trouble as long as rewards are not exclusive.

Everything else thats going on in this thread - it is your camp that is doing the steering away.

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

There's disagreeing, and then there's spamming a thread while being antagonistic like this.

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

As to your other points - it was already explained to you why constantly expanding the game vertically instead of horizontally makes for less of game, not more.

You mean that debunked bit by Z3ro? Because that was utter nonsense. By that logic you should remove T11-T17 maps because then *every* build is able to clear all mapping content.

Like, why do we have to explain this basic stuff again. That was debunked pages ago

How do you debunk a persons prefence? Cause you typing out a bigger post which boils down back to your own opposing preference is not it.

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

How do you debunk a persons prefence?

You are mischaracterizing his analysis as personal preference. The cause and effect relationship he described is factually incorrect, so what then?

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

I can literally call shenaningans on your terrible "explanations" why expanding vertically is necessary and it will also do nothing for this argument as you calling shenanigans first.

....except you missed the point where your entire opinion is based on a lie and misinformation.

You can argue the reasons why the earth being flat is a good thing all you want....but if its based on the opinion that the earth is flat then you've already lost.

Which of these is lie?

More vertical difficulty decreases build variety.
More vertical difficulty creates a need for even more powerful items increasing a need for even more farming time.
Exclusive rewards for content that can be completed by the minority creates oligarchies in the market and excludes entire swaths of playerbase from experiencing parts of the game.
Developing exlusive rewards and uppermost vertical content for the uppermost minority to enjoy consumes dev time that could be instead spent on expanding the game horizontally for far larger subset of playerbase to enjoy.
More vertical difficulty will eventually lead to new defensive/offensive layers being intoduced which will, once again, be presented as option but will in fact be mandatory. Suppression situation 2.0.