[3.19] 🔨⚡ Trickster 1-button Lightning Conduit! (Mjolner CWC) ⚡🔨 | 5-15m sDPS - Pinnacles melt!

Hmm, sorry. But I don't have the feeling that this build is tanky. I spent now over 20 Divine for a decent gear but keep on constantly dying to most everything.
:(

I came from the very disappointing build from the streamer Subtractem who stated his Lightning Tendrils Witch as THICC. Well, in the end it was me being sick of dying all the time. So I wanted to give my Trickster another shot cuz my Flameblast Totem starterbuild was not very good.

But it seems that I just spected into another disappointment .... sadge
Hi again ^^
Just wanted to throw in my 5 cents - might be worth less...

So first of all thank you for the guide the build is fun!

I made the stupid choice to level as self cast LC - had leftover gear from LC Ele I tried out...
My advice would be spare yourself - go for the standard lightning lvling route - storm brand, arc, spark etc. (as it was suggested to me)

I managed to get the build up and running at act 9-10 and it was a breeze.
Just hit maps and its going well, need to cap my light res - calculated it wrong :D
Next stop is glorious vanity - needed to pick up some str/dex nodes before I get better items.

Ofc I'm running the lowest cost variant so far, so there is a lot of room for improvement - if RNGesus is on my side.

If anyone wants to take a look at my char and offer some advice/tips - it's DarkkCain.

Fair warning it is very early stage - just out of the gate.

Thanks again to the OP!
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wallypoe wrote:
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primaeva wrote:


To be extremely safe, put LC on your bars and see how fast it is spinning. The tooltip tends to round up/down but the breakpoints are still important - 0.29 could be higher or lower than what's required for the max proc rate.


I use POB to check.
The tooltip in game doesn't count "one step ahead" and "soul drinker"


One Step Ahead is action speed and doesn't actually count as cast speed.

Soul Drinker effect only appears when you are leeching, so you have to check in and out of combat.

And that's why we have the "hideout" table in page 1, to account for Soul Drinker.
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StorgutBorsit wrote:
Hmm, sorry. But I don't have the feeling that this build is tanky. I spent now over 20 Divine for a decent gear but keep on constantly dying to most everything.
:(

I came from the very disappointing build from the streamer Subtractem who stated his Lightning Tendrils Witch as THICC. Well, in the end it was me being sick of dying all the time. So I wanted to give my Trickster another shot cuz my Flameblast Totem starterbuild was not very good.

But it seems that I just spected into another disappointment .... sadge


You need to upload videos of your death to figure out what's going on.

If Subtractem advertises a build that's thicc, it's thicc. Thicc doesn't mean you can ignore everything that happens on-screen. I highly suspect that if you think Subtractem's thicc build doesn't count as tanky, you're going to have to run 90% res 100% suppress 75/75 chars all the time as you may be inadequate at dodging mechanics or fighting certain mechanics.

Doryani's is famous for being weak to lightning damage - I mean that's literally the whole point of the item. Lightning Mirages and taking degen without overleech IS going to kill you.

At some point you must ask - have I adapted to PoE (especially Archnemesis) enough?
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StorgutBorsit wrote:
Hmm, sorry. But I don't have the feeling that this build is tanky. I spent now over 20 Divine for a decent gear but keep on constantly dying to most everything.
:(

I came from the very disappointing build from the streamer Subtractem who stated his Lightning Tendrils Witch as THICC. Well, in the end it was me being sick of dying all the time. So I wanted to give my Trickster another shot cuz my Flameblast Totem starterbuild was not very good.

But it seems that I just spected into another disappointment .... sadge



Bruh. You don't even use ES gear. You use an armor/eva helm, eva/es boots, and a shield with no ES??

You have 5.8k life and 3.9k ES.

The 100c build has more total HP than you at 5.6k life and 4.5k ES.

And that's the 100c build vs your 20 div build.

In the later versions, the build has ~7k life and 4.9k ES. These numbers are important not only because you need them to soak the big hits, it affects your leech rate a lot.

I don't really want to look at how you worked the Subtractem build but I think you could pay more attention to shopping and how you spend that money - you cannot substitute ES gear on ES builds for hybrid or 0 ES pieces, it makes the entire world of difference (especially when you wear Skin of the Lords.)

How can your current gear even amount to 10 div, to be honest?
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MestHoop wrote:
Been playing this build for a week now, and it does really feel nice.
The major changes I currently run is a small aura reservation cluster for determination efficiency (and Enlighten 3), so I can run Tempest Shield + Glancing blows. I have 50/50 block, and 74/62 with Rumi's up.

I did have to drop the ball lightning + cull in the CWDT setup for it though.

Also running a scuffed Mageblood (2 out of 4 flasks) for movespeed and armor. I definitely do not think it is worth the 80 div I paid for it, but the movespeed is amazing QoL.

Next biggest upgrade after the mageblood is a good Brutal Restraint. Since the mageblood kinda screwed with my fire/cold resists, I checked the timeless jewel app and looked for one with lightning leech/double damage and cold/fire res. Got one for 1 div, and I even got +1 max fire res out of it.
The extra life leech is also a godsend! It works with just the large cluster Doryani notable, but having a second source of lightning as life leech really makes it feel a lot better.

Only thing I run into is sustaining RF in maps when dealing with league mechanics... Maybe it's because I've been focusing on Expedition this league, but the downtime of figuring out when and where to place explosives, or dealing with the Kalandra tablet and having a rogue projectile kill you because RF put you on 1 life kinda sucks. Not that I need the damage of RF for regular mapping anyway (mostly just using vaal RF on bosses).


Also, since I got annoyed with getting stunned, I powerleveled my aCWC by buying bricked lvl 3 enhance gems and 4k yellow lifeforce, and turning it into facetor's lenses. Just 2 of these will be enough to almost max out a fresh awakened CWC. I already had 4k lifeforce for this the first time. Second time it cost me about 120c (the 2 jewels were 50c max). So unless a lvl 5 aCWC jewel is 2 div more expensive than a lvl 1, this might be a cheaper solution to max yours out.


Ah very nice trick with the Harvest and Lens, wow, I had forgotten that was an option!

(Oh if 1 life RF is hurting you, have Dousing on a life flask to put it out when you don't need it. Also ouch! I stopped using Vaal RF, it hits so HARD!)

Noted on the leech!
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primaeva wrote:
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StorgutBorsit wrote:
Hmm, sorry. But I don't have the feeling that this build is tanky. I spent now over 20 Divine for a decent gear but keep on constantly dying to most everything.
:(

I came from the very disappointing build from the streamer Subtractem who stated his Lightning Tendrils Witch as THICC. Well, in the end it was me being sick of dying all the time. So I wanted to give my Trickster another shot cuz my Flameblast Totem starterbuild was not very good.

But it seems that I just spected into another disappointment .... sadge



Bruh. You don't even use ES gear. You use an armor/eva helm, eva/es boots, and a shield with no ES??

You have 5.8k life and 3.9k ES.

The 100c build has more total HP than you at 5.6k life and 4.5k ES.

And that's the 100c build vs your 20 div build.

In the later versions, the build has ~7k life and 4.9k ES. These numbers are important not only because you need them to soak the big hits, it affects your leech rate a lot.

I don't really want to look at how you worked the Subtractem build but I think you could pay more attention to shopping and how you spend that money - you cannot substitute ES gear on ES builds for hybrid or 0 ES pieces, it makes the entire world of difference (especially when you wear Skin of the Lords.)

How can your current gear even amount to 10 div, to be honest?


Ok, that are some good points which will prolly help me. I just used the left over gear from that witch ;)
For the SotL I payed 7 Divs alone btw ....
UPDATE:

When fiddling with the Inquisitor I realised just how much the Attack Speed vs Cast speed discrepancy matters.

Having too much attack speed brings the number of times Arc/Shock Nova applies shock to like, 2, when our LC is firing 3x a second.

This is a 50% decrease in potential DPS.

This is also why adding Galvanic Field feels so good = it ticks on the boss at full efficiency and lies outside of the restrictions.

I apologize to everyone for not investigating this relationship further and will come up with some charts / solutions on how to min/max this part. Any assistance will also be greatly appreciated.


Also, I want to reiterate, if you have like 50+ Div to blow, absolutely roll Inquis, the damage potential is just way higher.


NEW RESEARCH GOAL:
Spoiler

What is the most efficient way to bring up the trigger rate of Arc/Shock Nova so that it matches the CWC cooldown on Conduit?

Also, maybe something like Ball Lightning (which hits multiple times independently of proc) will work better?

Storm Call + Cascade??

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🔨⚡CWC Lightning Conduit Mjolner Trickster: view-thread/3300148
VD Arcanist Brand Necro: view-thread/2911667
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primaeva wrote:
UPDATE:

When fiddling with the Inquisitor I realised just how much the Attack Speed vs Cast speed discrepancy matters.

Having too much attack speed brings the number of times Arc/Shock Nova applies shock to like, 2, when our LC is firing 3x a second.

This is a 50% decrease in potential DPS.

This is also why adding Galvanic Field feels so good = it ticks on the boss at full efficiency and lies outside of the restrictions.

I apologize to everyone for not investigating this relationship further and will come up with some charts / solutions on how to min/max this part. Any assistance will also be greatly appreciated.


Also, I want to reiterate, if you have like 50+ Div to blow, absolutely roll Inquis, the damage potential is just way higher.


NEW RESEARCH GOAL:
Spoiler

What is the most efficient way to bring up the trigger rate of Arc/Shock Nova so that it matches the CWC cooldown on Conduit?

Also, maybe something like Ball Lightning (which hits multiple times independently of proc) will work better?

Storm Call + Cascade??



Oh, okay, just relooked the PoB and the issue isn't THAT BAD for Trickster since the Ascendancy pushes it up to ~2.6 procs per second. Still, need to spreadsheet this.
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FlickerCoC Ice Nova / Spear Assassin: view-thread/3225536
🔨⚡CWC Lightning Conduit Mjolner Trickster: view-thread/3300148
VD Arcanist Brand Necro: view-thread/2911667
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primaeva wrote:
UPDATE:

When fiddling with the Inquisitor I realised just how much the Attack Speed vs Cast speed discrepancy matters.

Having too much attack speed brings the number of times Arc/Shock Nova applies shock to like, 2, when our LC is firing 3x a second.

This is a 50% decrease in potential DPS.

This is also why adding Galvanic Field feels so good = it ticks on the boss at full efficiency and lies outside of the restrictions.

I apologize to everyone for not investigating this relationship further and will come up with some charts / solutions on how to min/max this part. Any assistance will also be greatly appreciated.


Also, I want to reiterate, if you have like 50+ Div to blow, absolutely roll Inquis, the damage potential is just way higher.


NEW RESEARCH GOAL:
Spoiler

What is the most efficient way to bring up the trigger rate of Arc/Shock Nova so that it matches the CWC cooldown on Conduit?

Also, maybe something like Ball Lightning (which hits multiple times independently of proc) will work better?

Storm Call + Cascade??



There is a guy named RicoKGB that used to do Mjolner builds with all sorts of ascendancys for multiple years, from patch 2.x all the way to 3.1x i know he did alot of research on how to balance cyclone attack speed with Mjolner and CDR, back when it was played as Arc/Discharge before GGG killed trigger Discharge, i know it might not translate exactly into Conduit cast speed calculations since its so new, but maybe you can find some info in one of his old threads that could be helpful, this is one of them: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1846362 - theres a section named About target APS for Cyclone.

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