[3.21] Vatinas' Spiders + HoP Guardian - CI, 70K armour, 1400 ES on block, millions of DPS

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Gitska wrote:

Hey thanks for the guide. Fun build, super tanky, meh dps (in t16+ anyhow). Enjoying it now in 3.13.

It may have been mentioned before, but I wanted to note that if you grab a medium aura-effect cluster jewel with both Uncompromising (30% reduced determination reservation) and Self-Control (30% reduced discipline reservation), then it works out so you only need one Circle of Guilt ring. I find freeing up one ring slot introduced some flexibility to the build.

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REVERENDGREEN_88 wrote:

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Gitska wrote:

Hey thanks for the guide. Fun build, super tanky, meh dps (in t16+ anyhow). Enjoying it now in 3.13.

It may have been mentioned before, but I wanted to note that if you grab a medium aura-effect cluster jewel with both Uncompromising (30% reduced determination reservation) and Self-Control (30% reduced discipline reservation), then it works out so you only need one Circle of Guilt ring. I find freeing up one ring slot introduced some flexibility to the build.

2 circle of guilt rings is pretty mandatory for acceptable dps

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Gitska wrote:

Hey thanks for the guide. Fun build, super tanky, meh dps (in t16+ anyhow). Enjoying it now in 3.13.

It may have been mentioned before, but I wanted to note that if you grab a medium aura-effect cluster jewel with both Uncompromising (30% reduced determination reservation) and Self-Control (30% reduced discipline reservation), then it works out so you only need one Circle of Guilt ring. I find freeing up one ring slot introduced some flexibility to the build.

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Exxi wrote:

What would be a good replacement for boots, if spell block is caped otherwise? Is Death's Door Crusader Boots a viable choice cause of "50% increased Elemental Ailment Duration on you" with an acceptable tradeoff for "Bleeding cannot be inflicted on you"? That will allow me to use a freeze/chill imune flask instead of bleeding imune.
I'm still uncertain how to improve here, any advise is welcomed.

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enemymigs wrote:

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Exxi wrote:

What would be a good replacement for boots, if spell block is caped otherwise? Is Death's Door Crusader Boots a viable choice cause of "50% increased Elemental Ailment Duration on you" with an acceptable tradeoff for "Bleeding cannot be inflicted on you"? That will allow me to use a freeze/chill imune flask instead of bleeding imune.
I'm still uncertain how to improve here, any advise is welcomed.

You're thinking along same lines as I would: ailments are the main issue when it comes survivability.

bleed, ignite immunity.
es regen.
more ES.
more armour for +es on block. (this is marginal gain for just a boot slot, i think. Unsure.)

Someone on the ladder has generic resist ES boots and took off their belt for a diff belt, cyclopean coil perhaps and the natural int > str > dex it's full shock/ignite/freeze immunity at the cost of the abyss jewels. Leaves flask room for +ARMOUR, Vaal Flask or anything really. Seems really nice.

And someone else mentioned, earlier in this thread, about using the new unique charge belt that grants ES Regen on taking ele damage can be a nice layer of regen based defence especially if your map is rolled with +% enemey ele dmg.

Both are intriguing ideas.

In the end, higher EHP for taking super big (elemental) hits and/or DoT damage mitigation is what i would go for.

I'm going to study the Herald of Agony version which uses all the same uniques but more clusters to see how the OP of that post gets way higher Effective HP than ours.

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Zerber wrote:

That herald of agony build cant take bigger hits because he has no fortify. That 20% more ES means nothing without fortify.

What you want is shock and ignite immunity.

From a pure block point of view, 1k ES getting back from block is enough anything bigger needs to be mitigated though other means anyway.

Playing a lot of builds like that, using cylcone over something like ball lightning feels way better.

I think you dont even need culling strike because the poison of your spiders takes care of resummoning spiders anyway.

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Chromino wrote:

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enemymigs wrote:

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Exxi wrote:

What would be a good replacement for boots, if spell block is caped otherwise? Is Death's Door Crusader Boots a viable choice cause of "50% increased Elemental Ailment Duration on you" with an acceptable tradeoff for "Bleeding cannot be inflicted on you"? That will allow me to use a freeze/chill imune flask instead of bleeding imune.
I'm still uncertain how to improve here, any advise is welcomed.

You're thinking along same lines as I would: ailments are the main issue when it comes survivability.

bleed, ignite immunity.
es regen.
more ES.
more armour for +es on block. (this is marginal gain for just a boot slot, i think. Unsure.)

Someone on the ladder has generic resist ES boots and took off their belt for a diff belt, cyclopean coil perhaps and the natural int > str > dex it's full shock/ignite/freeze immunity at the cost of the abyss jewels. Leaves flask room for +ARMOUR, Vaal Flask or anything really. Seems really nice.

And someone else mentioned, earlier in this thread, about using the new unique charge belt that grants ES Regen on taking ele damage can be a nice layer of regen based defence especially if your map is rolled with +% enemey ele dmg.

Both are intriguing ideas.

In the end, higher EHP for taking super big (elemental) hits and/or DoT damage mitigation is what i would go for.

I'm going to study the Herald of Agony version which uses all the same uniques but more clusters to see how the OP of that post gets way higher Effective HP than ours.

I love Vatinas build and his very, very good and deep explanations and the central melee style.

For more Clusters, melee and ranged styles combined and more substain perhaps take a look at the Arachnophibia Allstars: a build with Herald of Agony changes and a lot of similar gear. Thanks a very lot to Vatinas, with his build this build got possible. I proudly present:

3.13 Endgame: The Agonyca Arachnophobia Allstars - 5 mill dmg, 9000+ ES, top 120000 Armour, 2400 ES on max block

Agony and Arakaali

www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3019705