[3.21] Vatinas' Spiders + HoP Guardian - CI, 70K armour, 1400 ES on block, millions of DPS

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Tense_Up wrote:

Hey really enjoying the build probably one of the most interesting ive played, that being said i've accumulated a little bit of currency through this build and others and i was wondering if there was something i could improve on other than levels or where i could find upgrades other than miniscule accuracy on weapon or mana on the chest. perhaps maybe a swap to a better non unique item of some sort. thanks in advance!

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keyserSoze_15 wrote:

So I have the base of this build complete and can TANK most content. However, when I go take on the Phoenix Guardian I get continuously one shotted over and over again. When I watch the video clip that is loaded up in the OP I see the same thing that I am doing which is cycloning right on top of the Phoenix. Is there something special that needs to be done with flasks or something that I am missing to pull this off? I face tank the Minotaur and the Chimera Guardian like nothing... I have max Fire Resist... any suggestions as to how this seems easily done on the video but I am getting powned...

Other things to add quick: I really like this build, thanks for the guide. I play on Xbox so I believe I experience more lag then PC players and button pushing is more complex but I manage. I don't believe that I am doing anything that would cause me to get destroyed by Phoenix like this.

Thanks

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Hey! :)

It's true that I tend to forget people who play on console, or people who have joint issues (like someone mentioned a few pages ago), when it comes to button pressing. I'm glad to hear that you're managing, but if it's too much, you could maybe try to cast your offering when damage taken - you might not have it when you need it the most, but it should work at least decently. :)

As for the phoenix, that guy is especially tough because he reduces your max fire res, and he and his small phoenixes all deal pure fire damage. If you look carefully in the video, you should see that I use Molten Shell before his large "kaboom" bursts; without that, I believe I would get blasted to oblivion as well. :p

Hope that helps! Let me know how it goes. :)

aaaaah, that makes sense... yeah, he is destroying me. If I get MORE fire resistance that will not help me correct because he drops my max value regardless of how much I have. I believe I have like 120% max fire resistance so that must be the case. I wonder if I should carry one of those flasks that absorb fire damage.

Its hard to see exactly what is going on to time up molten shell for me but that is what I will try. The changes I have made to your build thus far due to playing on console are: I can't use the predator's targeting effectively so I put minion damage in the spider damage instead of predator, I put cast when hit with cyclone to cast the curse Vuln because getting one on the gloves is too expensive on console, I have to manually cast Golem which I put MAIM on due to the changes I had to make on Cyclone.

One question that I do have, my HoP seems really under powered. Without Spiders it feels like I do next to zero damage. I have a 4 RED 2 BLUE armor with near maxed gems as you suggest, but my damage is bad. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong there?

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gelion228 wrote:

"One question that I do have, my HoP seems really under powered. Without Spiders it feels like I do next to zero damage. I have a 4 RED 2 BLUE armor with near maxed gems as you suggest, but my damage is bad. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong there?"

1. do u inflict bleeding on the enemies by yourself? divergent maim or bleeding support with cyclone or vulnerability on hit?
2. do u use vulnerability?
3. Empower 4 lvl?

these 3 options are the main source of the HoP dps, if u use basic 4R 2B 6-linked gems. and their dps is pretty nice.

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keyserSoze_15 wrote:

I have an Emp lvl 3

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gelion228 wrote:

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keyserSoze_15 wrote:

I have an Emp lvl 3

This.

lvl 20 Hop and lvl 3 Empower = about 538k dps per one.
lvl 21 HoP and lvl 4 Empower = 680k.

little upgrate, but +568k dps in total. Against a8 sirus thats huge. Btw against any solo target all-buffed HoP feels ok.

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keyserSoze_15 wrote:

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gelion228 wrote:

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keyserSoze_15 wrote:

I have an Emp lvl 3

This.

lvl 20 Hop and lvl 3 Empower = about 538k dps per one.
lvl 21 HoP and lvl 4 Empower = 680k.

little upgrate, but +568k dps in total. Against a8 sirus thats huge. Btw against any solo target all-buffed HoP feels ok.

OK... just have to understand that I Play Xbox Standard and sometimes season. I am playing Standard now. In either things are at least 6 times more expensive then PC and for the rare things they are 20 to 40 times more expensive. I spent 25EX for my Blue Nightmare as an example... so I have 50EX in this build already... that has tapped me out. Getting a 4EMP and 21 HoP would be an insane more EX just like the gloves with Vuln on them are 20EX... the "price" we pay I guess for console play.

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keyserSoze_15 wrote:

OK... just have to understand that I Play Xbox Standard and sometimes season. I am playing Standard now. In either things are at least 6 times more expensive then PC and for the rare things they are 20 to 40 times more expensive. I spent 25EX for my Blue Nightmare as an example... so I have 50EX in this build already... that has tapped me out. Getting a 4EMP and 21 HoP would be an insane more EX just like the gloves with Vuln on them are 20EX... the "price" we pay I guess for console play.