(3.2) [Lighty] 2H RT Cyclone: Dope for Beast League & Lab™

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6aPMaJIeuKuH wrote:

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IohananD wrote:

Hello, I'm very new to this game (started playing yesterday), I'm doing the "3.0 Basic Tree (Berserker)" build.

Should I kill or help Alira?

Thanks for the guide :)

Kill.... KILLL...... KIIILLLLLL THEM ALLLL!!!!!!!!!!!

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Xavathos wrote:

Doesn't matter. It's about potential. Oak will never be more than he gives. Jewels on budget are roughly equal, but can become much more powerful. Big picture. ;)

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IohananD wrote:

Just got trolled :| did not notice your comment before mine (2 minute before mine)

Guess will start over

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6aPMaJIeuKuH wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Doesn't matter. It's about potential. Oak will never be more than he gives. Jewels on budget are roughly equal, but can become much more powerful. Big picture. ;)

in potential you can change you mind by some orbs. when you will get orbs for this sort of this jevel - you will have orbs and for reset.

But i need play right here right now, and for jagger it will be best for league start.

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Xavathos wrote:

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Archimtiros wrote:

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Peterlerock wrote:

... but where in Jugger Ascendancy do you find more damage, more AoE, 20% Cull, Leech doesn't stop when full?

You don't. Even with maximum investment in increased damage via Endurance Charges, Juggernaut is flat out weaker (offensively) than Slayer/Berserker. That's the trade-off for automatic endurance charge generation, inordinate damage mitigation, and status immunity.

That said, survivability is much more of a limitation than killing speed. While it may take longer, you only need to be able to deal so much damage. A properly built Starforge, Brutality, BloodMagic (passive), CoH Vuln, with 9-10 Endurance Charges Juggernaut is just about invincible. It may not be a facetanking boss killer like Vaal Pact Berserker, but it's extremely smooth Uber Lab/map farming, with immunity to almost every status effect in the game.

My thoughts exactly Archimtiros. That's exactly the reason I'm going Juggernaut. Starforge, Brutality, Blood Magic, though I'll go for Blasphemy Vuln with Determination wearing Brass Dome. Rolling through maps and Lab like a good ol' M1 Abrams.

You left nothing else for me to elaborate in regards to your post. ;)

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Xavathos wrote:

Slayer leech is something some people don't fully understand. It's not as OP as it seems on first sight.

While the wording is exactly true, Leech doesn't STOP on full health, Leech also doesn't START on full health. And that's an important detail.

If you are cycloning happily and you're getting really good at avoiding taking any hits, you'll stop yourself from gaining leech. Also, if you take say, 1% of your health in damage, 1 hit will leech you back to full, but that's won't reach the leech cap. You will not however, stack more leech upon that to reach the cap because you're already at full health again. It will just run its course until it wears off, or continue healing if you take another hit before it wears off. Does that make enough sense to you? :/

Bottom line is this: You do NOT leech at full health. If you leech while below full health, that leech will not STOP until it naturally wears off and will continue even if you take damage again while it's in effect. It will NOT become "stronger" while at full health, because you do not leech. Essentially, you need to take damage constantly to get the real value from that leech node.

Lorewise kind of in line with the whole idea behind a Slayer. Focused on slaying that rare/boss at any cost and do not stop until it's dead. Where as Berserker is more like the reckless abandon class that throws all caution to the wind for a massive increase in damage potential.

If it didn't work the way I described above, Slayer would be massively OP. I totally get why GGG made it work this way. That said, it's still an immensely powerful node, especially with all the increased leech rate that Slayer gets.

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Xavathos wrote:

Waste of 20 regrets, imo. It's still 20c for nothing. If anything +2 points helps you level too, since you get earlier access to key passives.