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RPGlitch wrote:
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Boem wrote:

We have one fucking rule in this thread.

No spoilers.

Cheers for that man zzzz

Peace,

-Boem-

Well, who put a stick up your ass today, jesus.

How about we all just skip the first episode and talk in circles since we can't say shit about anything.



That's actually what we do about "current shows", read what i said about Mob 100 and realise i kept it as superficial as possible so i wouldn't ruin Charans run in a couple of weeks of the show.

And clearly you put that stick up there and i don't apreciate it.

Just spoiler that entire post and keep it in mind in the future? I've also made the error of spoilering an episode left and right, but i don't mind people making me aware of that fact and then correcting it.

Anyway, guess i already know the ending for domestic girlfriend now which bassicaly ruins the next 5 episodes for me, not pleasant at all.

Peace,

-Boem-
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Boem wrote:
Just spoiler that entire post and keep it in mind in the future? I've also made the error of spoilering an episode left and right, but i don't mind people making me aware of that fact and then correcting it.

Fair enough, though I'll point out that the manga hasn't even ended. So, I don't know how you even know the ending when I don't.

*mumbles angrily into the distance*
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RPGlitch wrote:
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Boem wrote:
Just spoiler that entire post and keep it in mind in the future? I've also made the error of spoilering an episode left and right, but i don't mind people making me aware of that fact and then correcting it.

Fair enough, though I'll point out that the manga hasn't even ended. So, I don't know how you even know the ending when I don't.

*mumbles angrily into the distance*


The context made it seem like it had ended.

I'm glad if that's not the case, then this was just a good reminder for people visiting this thread in general :p

Very good, now i'm looking forward again to see how it finishes.

Some of us only watch anime and have no clue about the manga portions, so i had no clue it was an "ongoing" manga.

Cheers for telling me and clearing that up, no need to mumble or be angry sir.

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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RPGlitch wrote:
How about we all just skip the first episode and talk in circles since we can't say shit about anything.



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OoooOoooooObligatory fix.

Peace

-B0em-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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鬼殺し wrote:
FWIW I appreciate the spoiler effort. It's just common courtesy. I saw FCK42's post and was like NOPE, close thread. Just in case.

A few days ago the GF outright said, with some surprise, that she feels Kaguya-sama is the best show we're watching this season. After an episode of it, I have trouble disagreeing but then I think about how diverse this season is. By what criteria beyond something really vague like 'they're both animated in Japan and adapted from manga' would you compare Kaguya-sama and Dororo?



It's hard to compare Dororo to shows of today since the original manga is ancient it came out in 1960s. It was a different time, and the story reflects that era of anime storytelling. It's a straightforward revenge story, like Cub and Wolf, but with more fantasy.

I think it's just a fan favorite this season because it's a violent show, especially after Goblin Slayer.

Kaguya-sama on the other hand is structured more like 4-koma gag manga. Each episode/chapter is about a single comedy event, and it wraps up that event by the end of the chapter.

I'd agree it's probably one of the funniest shows this season, but it's just not something I can rewatch a lot of times and it's just a notch below current romance/comedy mangas like Tomo-kun who just has stronger/impressionable characters. A lot of Kaguya-sama's characters are too forgettable.

I'd just say if we are comparing the two, Dororo is way ahead of Kaguya-sama because it's drawn by Tezuka Osamu, whose won numerous awards for shows which influenced the entire genre of anime. I mean the Tezuka is the same guy who drew Astroboy.

All his works are just a notch above the average mangaka comedy.
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鬼殺し wrote:
It's got a lot more going for it than a 'goblin slayer alike'. Good grief. The quality of the animation, the music, the clear trajectory for the main character...yeah, that's seriously underselling it.


If you can show me a great shot Dororo animation and music. I'm willing to change my mind on it. I haven't watched all the episodes. It's just the couple I saw were on the same level as Boroto. And that's not saying much compared to things like the Beyond the Boundary or Castlevania.

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And while it's a Tezuka adaptation, it's pretty different to the original manga. There are actually a few voiced 'comics' of the original on Crunchyroll which bear for interesting viewing as a point of comparison. Despite its origins, it's very much a show of today. MAPPA spared no extent in their creative interpretation of the original Dororo.


The original Dororo was a one-dimensional story and while it's been adapted things like Youjo Senki and One Punch-Man upcoming second seasons both have more interesting story arcs that I want to follow.

I mean maybe Dororo gets a lot more interesting when it finally finishes, but the adapted story didn't scream anything to me.

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Also, the question was hypothetical. You had to bend into some funny shapes just to answer it. Which is why it's hypothetical...

Well, I thought you wanted some measured stick to compare the shows, so you could tell which one was better and convince your GF you are right.

The easiest stick is just the authors since both are different genres and one happens to be over 70 years old.

Dororo is better than Kaguya-sama. Both aren't the best shows in the season, because they are both forgettable.
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Due to the nature of this discussion, I won't be able to avoid some spoilers for the series involved. However, all those quoted have either seen the series or were pretty much asking for this stuff, so whatever.

Also, this might take a bit, so please bear with me. If you don't wanna bother, there's a TL;DR in the end. You're welcome.

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RPGlitch wrote:
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鬼殺し wrote:
It's got a lot more going for it than a 'goblin slayer alike'. Good grief. The quality of the animation, the music, the clear trajectory for the main character...yeah, that's seriously underselling it.


If you can show me a great shot Dororo animation and music. I'm willing to change my mind on it. I haven't watched all the episodes. It's just the couple I saw were on the same level as Boroto. And that's not saying much compared to things like the Beyond the Boundary or Castlevania.

The fight at the ruined temple for example had some rather ridiculous fluidity in it's animation, as do the few short scenes where Hyakkimaru exchanges blows with Nihiru (the wielder of the cursed sword). While the examples you mentioned are certainly impressive, I'd argue that Dororo has higher consistency in the animation quality than Boruto (and maybe Castlevania? Haven't heard or seen a lot about it, but I remember something along the lines of wildly varying quality in the animation), whereas Kara no Kyoukai is a series of movies, which tend to have a much better animation budget. Also, they were made by Ufotable, which are known for ridiculously fluid AND flashing animations, usually due to perfectly blending classic 2D animation with 3D CGI flawlessly.

Dororo so far hasn't used CGI as far as I remember. And if it did, they masked it incredibly well, so much so that I wasn't able to recognise it.

As for the music, while it never really stood out to me, there wasn't a single moment where it DIDN'T fit. Sometimes a particularly powerful piece of soundtrack ends up taking the spotlight of the scene, occasionally deliberately (insert songs tend to be used as such, a great example is from Made in Abyss episode 7 with the song "Hanezeve Caradina", which cranks up the atmosphere of it to 11/10), but most of the time when it happens, it doesn't seem intended. This didn't happen even once in Dororo. It always matches, sometimes by not having any music at all.

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And while it's a Tezuka adaptation, it's pretty different to the original manga. There are actually a few voiced 'comics' of the original on Crunchyroll which bear for interesting viewing as a point of comparison. Despite its origins, it's very much a show of today. MAPPA spared no extent in their creative interpretation of the original Dororo.

The original Dororo was a one-dimensional story and while it's been adapted things like Youjo Senki and One Punch-Man upcoming second seasons both have more interesting story arcs that I want to follow.

I mean maybe Dororo gets a lot more interesting when it finally finishes, but the adapted story didn't scream anything to me.

The very concept of the story is pretty unique imo. Sure, if you want to generalise it down to it's core, it's a revenge story. However, it has so many facets to it that a lot of other similar stories just don't have. A LOT of subplots that are currently left open that offer so many possibilities for future development (a potential conflict between Hyakkimaru and his brother, a reunion with his mother, the inevitable conflict with his father which will likely lead to Hyakkimaru having to choose between the restoration of his body or the survival of the people in his father's territory, etc.).
Sorry for being very direct for a bit, but both OPM and Youjo Senki have nowhere near as good a setup for their story. The story is NOT the driving force for at least one of them. Youjo Senki boils down to the same core as Dororo, a revenge story. However, it's packed in a much more fantasy heavy isekai package.
One Punch Man doesn't even have a big overarching story to begin with except for Saitama seeking a purpose. It's a parody of shounen battle series and is mostly driven by it's characters, their interactions and the jokes it gets from parodying just about ALL the tropes of the genre.

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Also, the question was hypothetical. You had to bend into some funny shapes just to answer it. Which is why it's hypothetical...

Well, I thought you wanted some measured stick to compare the shows, so you could tell which one was better and convince your GF you are right.

The easiest stick is just the authors since both are different genres and one happens to be over 70 years old.

Dororo is better than Kaguya-sama. Both aren't the best shows in the season, because they are both forgettable.

There is no real way to measure those two against each other to begin with, it's all personal taste. They are suppposed to do COMPLETELY different things. Apples and Oranges and such. They are pretty much equal in execution though. Both are SIGNIFICANT improvements over their source material, though for different reasons.

I highly doubt that the age of the author of the source material has anything to do with the quality of the adaptation for said material.

Last but most certainly not least: NEITHER of them is forgettable. Simply by being executed that damn well they aren't, but that isn't why. Their settings are unlike just about anything we've had in recent memory. The concepts of both shows are unique enough that I won't find anything similar to fill the hole they will inevitably leave in me after I finished watching them. Because there is nothing like them. Sure, there are other historical fantasy or rom-com parody shows, but they will be COMPLETELY different in their atmosphere.

I DO agree that neither is best of the season. However, the only reason for that is the existence of Mob Psycho 100 season 2. Which isn't even a fair thing to say, since that show would beat just about anything. The animation is consistently some of the best you can find and sometimes STILL goes above and beyond in certain scenes. One sequence in particular just blows anything you mentioned in the "animation and music section" out of the water. Yes, even Kara no Kyoukai. With ease.
Heck, even the likes of Fate/Apocrypha stands no chance in comparison. Or anything from One Punch Man for that matter. And that's saying something.




TL;DR:
Dororo has very consistently good, sometimes brilliant animation and a rock solid above-average soundtrack.

The story has a LOT to offer and has one of the most unique settings I've seen, with a plethora of subplots that could easily be woven into the main story.

Dororo and Kaguya are just about equal to each other, with each having completely different strengths than the other. Which one is better comes down to personal preference.

Both still lose to Mob Psycho 100 season 2 in just about every aspect.
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鬼殺し wrote:
Convince my GF I'm right? About what? I never expressed a direct contradiction to what she said. Only that while it's easy to feel, after watching several shows this season, that each is AOTS, when you reflect upon the field, it's actually almost impossible. This is somewhat unusual for us, and it's nice.

Yeah, I got it. I'm happy you are enjoying the season, but common there were more words before that sentence that gave it context.

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鬼殺し wrote:
It's not my job to sell you on Dororo. You either get that MAPPA are currently at the top of their animation game or you don't -- and yeah, that's even with Yuri on Ice and Kakegurui in mind. To compare them to the current Pierrot is laughable, even if the wildly inconsistent quality of the latter's work and willingness to outsource entire episodes enables full sakuga episodes, while Dororo is likely just to remain solidly above average to excellent.

It isn't your job to sell me on Dororo, but when you keep saying it has excellent animation and music. I can disagree. I've seen way better from a lot of shows. I mean we both have eyeballs. It's fair to ask you to provide examples if you keep claiming something is true.

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FCK42 wrote:
The fight at the ruined temple for example had some rather ridiculous fluidity in it's animation, as do the few short scenes where Hyakkimaru exchanges blows with Nihiru (the wielder of the cursed sword).

I'll check it out.

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FCK42 wrote:
Last but most certainly not least: NEITHER of them is forgettable. Simply by being executed that damn well they aren't, but that isn't why. Their settings are unlike just about anything we've had in recent memory. The concepts of both shows are unique enough that I won't find anything similar to fill the hole they will inevitably leave in me after I finished watching them. Because there is nothing like them. Sure, there are other historical fantasy or rom-com parody shows, but they will be COMPLETELY different in their atmosphere.

I'm not sure about that. I read a lot more than I watch. And the manga landscape is a crowded field of copycats. There is always a replacement.

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鬼殺し wrote:
The overall point being, there doesn't have to be an argument about 'best show' because they're all in their ways the best at what they do this season. If I wanted to stoop to something as banal as 'best show argument' I'd subject myself to MAL or the anime reddit. I expect a little more from the people here.

AOTS arguments are one of the only ways I can cut the cream from the crop. Sure, you might not like the banality, but its an easy way to figure out which shows are actually good in a given season.

I mean on the topic of AOTS I have even more mixed feelings about the new Boogiepop Phantom remake. I watched the original show in the 1990s and jesus I don't know if I want to know how they adapted it seeing as 1990s anime is so different from anime today.

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鬼殺し wrote:
I'm fairly sure Tateyusha is the Goblin-Slayer-alike of this season, if one exists. The Penkin soundtrack (tying into Made in Abyss there) elevates it more than occasionally from the questionable premise and occasionally dodgy animation. Not Citrus' finest work.


Definitely the isekai of the month. I'm just honestly surprised both Goblin Slayer and Shield Hero both were animated before granddaddy of isekai light novel Mushoku Tensei did.

Maybe, it's a copyright thing. It was right up there with the LitRPG boom in 2015-2016.
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鬼殺し wrote:
Beyond the Boundary is Kyoukai no Kanata by Kyoani. Don't worry, VERY easy mistake to make.


Fuck. I'm tired as hell I guess... can't even read/think properly it seems.
Then again, for my point it doesn't make THAT much of a difference... I'd say it's very close to Dororo in terms of consistency of quality in it's animation.

Can't be bothered to deal with thinking about this more at the moment... gotta get some sleep I guess.
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FCK42 wrote:
Sorry for being very direct for a bit, but both OPM and Youjo Senki have nowhere near as good a setup for their story. The story is NOT the driving force for at least one of them. Youjo Senki boils down to the same core as Dororo, a revenge story. However, it's packed in a much more fantasy heavy isekai package.
One Punch Man doesn't even have a big overarching story to begin with except for Saitama seeking a purpose. It's a parody of shounen battle series and is mostly driven by it's characters, their interactions and the jokes it gets from parodying just about ALL the tropes of the genre.


I prefer both story arcs because it does something that no other show currently does in the line-up. One is an alternative history where the MC is practically hitler-esk in pre-nazi magical germany and the other is a super hero show with about a guy with limitless power.

I mean I can almost count on one hand how many alternate history animes there are in the last 30 years. It's a pretty danm small genre.

It also feeds two tropes that aren't really filled by a lot of shows. The OP Progatonist and the Evil Protagonist.

Yeah, it's a pretty small sample size we are going with here not to mention all the characters for one-punch man are pretty a memorable. I can't say the same for Youjo Senki, but the possibility that one day there might be a Nazi Controlled United States of America is keeping me going back to the story.

Also, I'm surprised you are bashing one-punch man seeing as it has the same author as mob psycho. They are pretty much the same story, but one has psychic powers and deals with a different kind of existential crisis.
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