Skip Acts function for the second and subsequent characters in the league

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

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default_mp3#9394 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

The moment it’s possible to skip the campaign it's when I stop playing.

Nobody takes it away from you.

Yes they do. Not in the literal sense but essentially that’s exactly what happens.

When you design for a skip-campaign game, the campaign automatically becomes a redundancy. This is NOT the way POE2 was designed, period. GGG spent a ginormous amount of time, effort and money to make the campaign what it is today.

The campaign is already a redundancy. We have all run it multiple times and it has been the same every time. Level scaling content already exists in the game. Simply adding an option to run level scaling content or some "cow level" to level up alts would be a great change of pace and get more people to try out new classes. Forcing only one way is what limits players, not expands them.

If you want to run it every time go for it. You will always have that option. But those who don't want to are left with the choice to play or not to play. Many choose not to play. Now explain how less players is better for the game. Explain how having to completed the campaign at least once per league before the alternate leveling option opens up is bad for the health of the game in anyway. Actually explain it. Don't just grab a straw man and go radio silent.

Every company spends a "ginormous time" creating the main story line. Yet once you have played it dozens of times and it is the exact same each time. Talk to the same NPC's click the same water levers, move the same caravan to talk to get back on to move it to talk again to blow a horn to get off to talk to get back on. This is NOT fun after having done it so many times.

I have not logged in since January and already am dreading running the campaign again to try out whatever they add new in .5. Is your answer to me and players like me to simply not play? If so, again how are you wanting a better game with stronger player base again?

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SalamiHaze#9389 wrote:

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default_mp3#9394 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

The moment it’s possible to skip the campaign it's when I stop playing.

Nobody takes it away from you.

But it will mean poe2 is going shitty diablo route under influence of "feedback" from people who know nothing about genre. Just as diablo franchise did and we all know how it ended.

Don’t waste your time. It’s never happening anyway.

Imagine POE2 as a skip-campaign game, lol. It would insta alienate its target audience.[/quote]

How would allowing an optional alternate leveling option that only opens up after you complete the full campaign each league alienate the "target" audience? Actually explain it.

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Soulsniper1313#7576 wrote:

How would allowing an optional alternate leveling option that only opens up after you complete the full campaign each league alienate the "target" audience? Actually explain it.

Ignore comments like those. everyone saying that don't actually have any counter arguments besides claiming it would "alienate the playerbase" ok how so? They don't explain their thoughts just shut out all opinions that aren't there own its sad, alot of people want this, some don't, GGG needs to meet in the middle

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Soulsniper1313#7576 wrote:

But those who don't want to are left with the choice to play or not to play. Many choose not to play. Now explain how less players is better for the game.

Yup, because campaign skip +1ers are the only one possibly leaving the game.

What makes you think not going casual road would be bigger hit for poe2 playerbase?

What makes you think not going casual road would be bigger hit for poe2 earnings?

What makes you think not going casual road would be bigger hit for poe2 engagement metrics?

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

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Soulsniper1313#7576 wrote:

How would allowing an optional alternate leveling option that only opens up after you complete the full campaign each league alienate the "target" audience? Actually explain it.

Ignore comments like those. everyone saying that don't actually have any counter arguments besides claiming it would "alienate the playerbase" ok how so? They don't explain their thoughts just shut out all opinions that aren't there own its sad, alot of people want this, some don't, GGG needs to meet in the middle

No they dont need to meet people in the middle. If devs do that for everything you end up with a game thats watered down bland mainstream garbage.
Some positions require hard stances to make a great game and if some players dont like it and its less popular then so be it.

Just remove level requirements on gear.


Makes crafting gear smoother so u dont over level an item to the point its trash by the time u can use it.

Makes stats the focus on weather you can use gear or not so they actually matter.

Allows insane twinking if you do some stat shenanigans making subsequent playthroughs of campaign much faster and much more fun.


No campaign skip needed.

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Soulsniper1313#7576 wrote:

Explain how having to completed the campaign at least once per league before the alternate leveling option opens up is bad for the health of the game in anyway. Actually explain it. Don't just grab a straw man and go radio silent.

I can help why.


1. Just go for race build to bull rush through campaign.
2. You can insta swap for stronger endgame build
3. When op meta discovered insta switch to that after its found.

Anyone playing more casually, slowly, wanting to just play something specific has his starting block even further behind.

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Soulsniper1313#7576 wrote:

Simply adding an option to run level scaling content or some "cow level" to level up alts would be a great change of pace and get more people to try out new classes. Forcing only one way is what limits players, not expands them.

At league start you want to be in position to afford late endagame gear as soon as posible before strong inflation hits, I believe it would actually do the reverse at this point.
Further icentivse just doing metas and stray away from own thing and experimentation if switch is so easy and you can get to farming good stuff with ready designed build recognized as go and get shit done easy and fast

If implemented in a way to limit abuse by rushing progress at start of the league maybe wouldnt be so horrible but getting a feeling that some of most vocal proponents of campaing skip may want it so badly exactly for this reason.

If it's 4th week, you got all main atals points (not boss or pinnacles), build not working wanna change or just play around with something else, maybe campaign skip crutch wouldnt be bad

And I don't see any drawbacks for SSF or standard wouldnt mind it there.

But trade league ? Nope.

Right from the start going with unlimited skips to insta switch from campaign ferrari racer > endgame heavy duty truck to UFO game breaking meta as soon as its discovered ? ABUSE

Think it could penalize progress for bigger part of player base, bring help to smaller %.

Let them reach riches even faster than their normal fast.

Drive inflation pace more to discourage slower progressers from playing.

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Please… give us a choose how to begin the development of a new
character: Start at level 1 and act 1 or at level 65, early endgame
(T1 maps).

And lvl 100 too. Because why not?

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

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Soulsniper1313#7576 wrote:

How would allowing an optional alternate leveling option that only opens up after you complete the full campaign each league alienate the "target" audience? Actually explain it.

Ignore comments like those. everyone saying that don't actually have any counter arguments besides claiming it would "alienate the playerbase" ok how so? They don't explain their thoughts just shut out all opinions that aren't there own its sad, alot of people want this, some don't, GGG needs to meet in the middle

So, GGG “needs” to make an entirely new leveling method, effectively spending hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions in the process and countless hours in order to accommodate who exactly?

Wow. That’s some top tier entitlement right there.

The game is designed the way it’s designed and it’s the most successful ARPG in the market.

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Argonlo#6237 wrote:

No they dont need to meet people in the middle. If devs do that for everything you end up with a game thats watered down bland mainstream garbage.
Some positions require hard stances to make a great game and if some players dont like it and its less popular then so be it.

Who knows? Tencent might have their own opinion on that :)