Tired of patches that are destroying the fun of the game

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

I know people who have been playing this game since the start who have never made their own build or experienced real endgame content. Having been around for a while gives little weight to your argument and it's a cheap appeal to authority argument as I can demonstrate by perusing your profile:

On a quick glance in your illustruous 10 year time of playing this game
You haven't defeated Atziri
You haven't defeated the Maven
You haven't socketed 4 Voidstones in your Atlas

The last time you played a temporary league was Settlers which, despite its long runtime, you finished with 14 challenges complete. Before that, you finished Affliction with 13 challenges. Before that? Expedition with 7 challenges.

You are blowing your experience way out of proportion. Some people finish that many challenges in one sitting, and they talk smaller game. While I can sympathise with some of your grievances, given your non-existing level of engagement, may I call into question why you think anyone should listen to you?

I play games the way I want to play them but I quess you love those checkboxes way more than I do. All power to you but I was never the person that was chasing some achievements in games. Again my expirience might be different from yours but that doesnt mean that I know nothing about this game. Sure if I was talking about Atziri or Maven than I would be fool because I have never defeated them and it was never my goal to begin with. I have enjoyed experimenting with different gems and builds thats what I have enjoyed and thats why I have seen a lot of balance problems with this game across multiple years.

Who are you trying to convince. The reader or yourself?

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AlvinL_#4492 wrote:

Who are you trying to convince. The reader or yourself?

I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. I am just explaining that if somebody wants to play games certain way thats fine but expecting that every person is going to play the game same way is a bit insane.

But that is not the argument - you don't have to play the same way. You most likely won't. Strawmanning is not necessary.

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maxes789#7131 wrote:

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

I know people who have been playing this game since the start who have never made their own build or experienced real endgame content. Having been around for a while gives little weight to your argument and it's a cheap appeal to authority argument as I can demonstrate by perusing your profile:

On a quick glance in your illustruous 10 year time of playing this game
You haven't defeated Atziri
You haven't defeated the Maven
You haven't socketed 4 Voidstones in your Atlas

The last time you played a temporary league was Settlers which, despite its long runtime, you finished with 14 challenges complete. Before that, you finished Affliction with 13 challenges. Before that? Expedition with 7 challenges.

You are blowing your experience way out of proportion. Some people finish that many challenges in one sitting, and they talk smaller game. While I can sympathise with some of your grievances, given your non-existing level of engagement, may I call into question why you think anyone should listen to you?

I play games the way I want to play them but I quess you love those checkboxes way more than I do. All power to you but I was never the person that was chasing some achievements in games. Again my expirience might be different from yours but that doesnt mean that I know nothing about this game. Sure if I was talking about Atziri or Maven than I would be fool because I have never defeated them and it was never my goal to begin with. I have enjoyed experimenting with different gems and builds thats what I have enjoyed and thats why I have seen a lot of balance problems with this game across multiple years.

Look dude, it's simple. You made an appeal to authority by postulating you have been playing the game for 10 years, and I used available evidence to show that when put into perspective, it doesn't surmount to much. Those things I listed are basic "checkboxes" any half-competent player completes.

You don't have to complete your Atlas but the fact that you didn't but claim your opinion on endgame balance should be heard, is telling. That's all I said.

@xaerobb: Are you trying to make a point that no one should be criticised for making easily disprovable claims? It is only 'personal' insofar someone made a claim, and I dismantled it. Now, can we stay civil?

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

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maxes789#7131 wrote:

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

I know people who have been playing this game since the start who have never made their own build or experienced real endgame content. Having been around for a while gives little weight to your argument and it's a cheap appeal to authority argument as I can demonstrate by perusing your profile:

On a quick glance in your illustruous 10 year time of playing this game
You haven't defeated Atziri
You haven't defeated the Maven
You haven't socketed 4 Voidstones in your Atlas

The last time you played a temporary league was Settlers which, despite its long runtime, you finished with 14 challenges complete. Before that, you finished Affliction with 13 challenges. Before that? Expedition with 7 challenges.

You are blowing your experience way out of proportion. Some people finish that many challenges in one sitting, and they talk smaller game. While I can sympathise with some of your grievances, given your non-existing level of engagement, may I call into question why you think anyone should listen to you?

I play games the way I want to play them but I quess you love those checkboxes way more than I do. All power to you but I was never the person that was chasing some achievements in games. Again my expirience might be different from yours but that doesnt mean that I know nothing about this game. Sure if I was talking about Atziri or Maven than I would be fool because I have never defeated them and it was never my goal to begin with. I have enjoyed experimenting with different gems and builds thats what I have enjoyed and thats why I have seen a lot of balance problems with this game across multiple years.

Look dude, it's simple. You made an appeal to authority by postulating you have been playing the game for 10 years, and I used available evidence to show that when put into perspective, it doesn't surmount to much. Those things I listed are basic "checkboxes" any half-competent player completes.

You don't have to complete your Atlas but the fact that you didn't but claim your opinion on endgame balance should be heard, is telling. That's all I said.

@xaerobb: Are you trying to make a point that no one should be criticised for making easily disprovable claims? It is only 'personal' insofar someone made a claim, and I dismantled it. Now, can we stay civil?

You cannot be here on this website without being "civil" because those mods will delete any comment and post that is not deemed "civil" so I quess I was civil. As far for my experience goes I have no Idea what this game tracks and what it doesnt track. I have no idea if you can see my playtime in every league even 10+ years ago. For those checkmarks as you said that half competant player completes all of them I have to dissapoint you that with my 3K hours I have no idea where can you even see those challenges in game. I quess in your books I am not competant player and that fine you want to hate on me because I dont have challenges completed. Hate as much as you want too. From my side I have much more important things going on in my life than worry about you or anybody else on this post that is just trying to dismantle somebody that is pointing out simple one flaw of the game and that is balance.

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

I know people who have been playing this game since the start who have never made their own build or experienced real endgame content. Having been around for a while gives little weight to your argument and it's a cheap appeal to authority argument as I can demonstrate by perusing your profile:

On a quick glance in your illustruous 10 year time of playing this game
You haven't defeated Atziri
You haven't defeated the Maven
You haven't socketed 4 Voidstones in your Atlas

The last time you played a temporary league was Settlers which, despite its long runtime, you finished with 14 challenges complete. Before that, you finished Affliction with 13 challenges. Before that? Expedition with 7 challenges.

Challenges don't really matter unless it's not even the most basic ones completed that you get by just playing the league, which is usally around 6-8. The rest I can agree with, as that indicates they never even touched basic endgame. For reference, I've been playing this game for almost 13 years now, across 3 or 4 different accounts, and the only time I've reached 39/40 challenges was in 3.7 Legion league, and only because I played a lot of it with a build I really enjoyed. Even this league, I didn't bother with challenges at all and finished most of it.

One should be careful with the challenges argument, but they can be a good indicator when paired with achievements and characters, as to how "eligible" the person is in regards to what they are talking about. This isn't even a shaming kind of thing, as you wouldn't go into a professional woodworking shop to tell them how to do things after you watched a YouTube video. It's just basic fact checking.

I don't go and cry about Ubers, either, as I've barely touched them myself, because it's not the type of content I'm interested in. That doesn't mean I can't do them. But I don't tell others how to kill Ubers or that they are poorly balanced. I don't know enough to make such statements. Maven's Memory Game and anti-Recovery beams are still shit, though, whether it's regular or Uber.

I'm having fun :O

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cLax0n#6792 wrote:

I'm having fun :O

Me too :D Imagine 3K+ hours 3/4 voidstones almost all bosses completed accept Maven and Atziri and that makes me not aligible to speak about game balance even though my main focus was farming maps T16/T17 and experimenting with different builds.