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Complaining about going into extremes and then making hyperbolic statements about needing 100+ mirrors of investment for certain skills to work is crazy.
Saying everyone else just doesn't understand how good balance looks like is just the cherry on top.
Must say I'm a little disappointed with you. You seemed much more reasonable before but this take ain't it.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Posted byArtCrusade#4438on Dec 7, 2025, 2:10:41 PMOn Probation
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Complaining about going into extremes and then making hyperbolic statements about needing 100+ mirrors of investment for certain skills to work is crazy.
Saying everyone else just doesn't understand how good balance looks like is just the cherry on top.
Must say I'm a little disappointed with you. You seemed much more reasonable before but this take ain't it.
Wait a second I have to pull out an calculater and price every single build in order to look good in your eyes :D I know that it was hyperbolical with 100+ mirrors the point is that certain builds are just way too insane to get up and running in comparison to other builds. You can be disappointed with me as much as you want to. I dont know you and I dont care about you.
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Posted bymaxes789#7131on Dec 7, 2025, 2:20:27 PM
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Complaining about going into extremes and then making hyperbolic statements about needing 100+ mirrors of investment for certain skills to work is crazy.
Saying everyone else just doesn't understand how good balance looks like is just the cherry on top.
Must say I'm a little disappointed with you. You seemed much more reasonable before but this take ain't it.
Wait a second I have to pull out an calculater and price every single build in order to look good in your eyes :D I know that it was hyperbolical with 100+ mirrors the point is that certain builds are just way too insane to get up and running in comparison to other builds. You can be disappointed with me as much as you want to. I dont know you and I dont care about you.
That isn't even remotely what I said. Can't say I have much sympathy for spiteful bad faith arguments, so the feeling is mutual then. 👋
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Posted byArtCrusade#4438on Dec 7, 2025, 2:25:08 PMOn Probation
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Want a good example? Check out Project Diablo 2. Instead of nerfing working builds, they actually continually work on improving non-viable builds. What a concept! It's actually fantastic having more builds to check out and possibly enjoy playing.
The concept of only buffing is only a solution short term, it's incredibly detrimental to long term content.
A few skills don't need buffs, that's obvious, but when the majority of skills are just broken window dressing to fill gem tabs, there's a problem. And nerfing fun, usable skills instead of buffing the ones that aren't makes it even worse.
This is a failed viewpoint and a failed developer strategy. I don't know how anyone can argue in favor of fewer working and fun skills but it never ceases to amaze me that people do. And more, to use the cover of "changing the meta" as some kind of magic buzzwords for justifying more nerfs is... well insanity to me.
But whatever. The horse has long been dead and severely beaten post mortem.
The nerfs will continue until morale improves.
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Posted byRippster#4037on Dec 7, 2025, 3:40:36 PM
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Im playing this game for 12+ years because its always evolving, changing
If the vision of the game was like your vision - i'd quit 12 years ago
I don't want easy game, i dont want Path Of Easy
I never stated I want an Easy game. I stated that I want those builds to be relative for longer and not getting rid of the items and sometimes the whole characters because those builds no longer works. You love wasting your hours and currency on over and over again you do you but this is my point of view of a person that doesnt have 18+ hours a day to sit and play video games.
What about 2-3h a day?
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Why is everybody going into extreme scenarios? Nobody said that from now on only buffs for everything. Can you imagine that they will put ALL the skill gems on the same power level? There would be no meta this and non-meta that. Can you imagine that you would not have to read patch notes if they nerfed to the ground melee builds again or if they nerfed minion builds to the point that it would require from player to spend insane amount of divines on crafting or straight mirror trading in order for Animate Guardian to be used again in high level juiced maps? Can you imagine having a freedom to ACTUALLY choose the build and skill gem without worring if you have enough time to afford 100+ mirror worth of items to get that build up and running? No you cannot imagine that and thats why you and others post comments like that because you and others play only this game and dont know what a good balance in game looks like.
I've told you this before; you have a completely skewed impression of what it takes to make a build "successful". I could say it again and give you the same examples I've given before, but it clearly evaporates before being decoded.
In a game with so many different multipliers, increases, moving parts, items, mechanics and ways to scale, balancing every single skill in the game to be "on par" with one another, is impossible. I'm also sure - when it comes to manpower - balancing every single skill every single league is also impossible.
Leagues and changes are what drive this game forward - and why it is still "relevant" today.
Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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Posted byPhrazz#3529on Dec 7, 2025, 5:33:32 PM
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Why is everybody going into extreme scenarios? Nobody said that from now on only buffs for everything. Can you imagine that they will put ALL the skill gems on the same power level? There would be no meta this and non-meta that. Can you imagine that you would not have to read patch notes if they nerfed to the ground melee builds again or if they nerfed minion builds to the point that it would require from player to spend insane amount of divines on crafting or straight mirror trading in order for Animate Guardian to be used again in high level juiced maps? Can you imagine having a freedom to ACTUALLY choose the build and skill gem without worring if you have enough time to afford 100+ mirror worth of items to get that build up and running? No you cannot imagine that and thats why you and others post comments like that because you and others play only this game and dont know what a good balance in game looks like.
I've told you this before; you have a completely skewed impression of what it takes to make a build "successful". I could say it again and give you the same examples I've given before, but it clearly evaporates before being decoded.
In a game with so many different multipliers, increases, moving parts, items, mechanics and ways to scale, balancing every single skill in the game to be "on par" with one another, is impossible. I'm also sure - when it comes to manpower - balancing every single skill every single league is also impossible.
Leagues and changes are what drive this game forward - and why it is still "relevant" today.
Quess what if they made something and now they cannot balance it. They failed. And now people like you cover for them for saying "ohhh it takes a manpower to do this and that" I dont care what it takes. You are being parasocial and feeling bad for these guys meanwhile you and me are just consumers that want a good product/service if they dont deliver good product / service they have failed. Stop being parasocial and feel bad because it takes a lot of resources and "manpower" to do balancing in this game.
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Posted bymaxes789#7131on Dec 8, 2025, 2:36:13 AM
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Why is everybody going into extreme scenarios?
And you speak as if there have been no improvements to the game. Why wouldn't you quit after "a few patches that destroyed the fun of the game"? What's the point of this tirade?
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Posted byAlvinL_#4492on Dec 8, 2025, 2:48:56 AM
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Why is everybody going into extreme scenarios?
And you speak as if there have been no improvements to the game. Why wouldn't you quit after "a few patches that destroyed the fun of the game"? What's the point of this tirade?
He already quit as he claims, but he still wants to stirr the pot some more.
He's not over it yet lol.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Posted byArtCrusade#4438on Dec 8, 2025, 2:50:03 AMOn Probation
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Why is everybody going into extreme scenarios?
And you speak as if there have been no improvements to the game. Why wouldn't you quit after "a few patches that destroyed the fun of the game"? What's the point of this tirade?
I have quit. This post is written by a person that unlike a lot of those fanatics are just pointing out only the good bits of the game and giving this game 10/10 I have pointed out something that GGG is failing to achieve for years and that is balancing in this game. I know that they have made improvements to certain things and a lot of Quality of Life stuff was added but the balance in this game is awful. I know that it is much easier to listen to those "yes men" and saying how amazing everything is and how flawless this game is than listening to somebody that is pointing out the negative bits of this game.
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Posted bymaxes789#7131on Dec 8, 2025, 2:56:25 AM
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