Please.... Stop listening to streamers.

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tiberius1116#7027 wrote:

Krip and DM both suggested the removal of rarity from gear during season 1. The magic find playstyle allows botters to farm an insane amount of currency, and few builds do this really really really well; don't be surprised when those builds become the meta.

but there is no surprise. and there hasnt been for years with this company.

bow users have enjoyed over a decade of being 40-60% of the builds people play, and the build has the capacity to have 100-150 rarity. with one shot clearing capability, insane movement speed, high single target damage, and it honestly only got worse in poe2. the only deviation in poe2 was with LS for a single, season... which might as well have been a bow user because it literally played the same. capability to get 100-150 rarity... high movement speed. one shot clearing capability. and high single target dmg. and its literally 1 button lol.

we've screamed to the high heavens to change this by raising the ceiling of lower represented builds because of it. and they havent done it. in over a decade. in two seperate games. instead, they do what they always do. nerf bat anything that isnt the problem. (like nerfing spark. or the minion nerfs. or coc comet for example in poe2 SO FAR)

the problem has always been build diversity.

removing item rarity doesnt change the problem. it compounds it.

removing item rarity now means there is literally no reason to build even more builds, which will push players to play one shot clearing, fast moving builds, with high single target even more....(you know.. what people already do as a bow user 40-60% of the time) to clear more maps ... faster... than everyone else, which essentially does the same thing as item rarity, as they are getting more drops faster than everyone else still.

except now, people cant build a rarity bot. or a build that has high rarity that is different to compete with the bow users.

;/

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Innuendos#5095 wrote:

removing item rarity now means there is literally no reason to build even more builds

+1

exactly this. But hey, don't believe everything you read here. This could be a smearing campaign against Kripp.

Unless they show me a video of him saying that or him confirm this, this is straight up fake news to me.

Edit: and if this is not the case, then I'm ready to post an Obiwan Kenobi 'you were supposed to be the chosen one', 'You had the highground' meme.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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Innuendos#5095 wrote:

removing item rarity now means there is literally no reason to build even more builds

+1

exactly this. But hey, don't believe everything you read here. This could be a smearing campaign against Kripp.

Unless they show me a video of him saying that or him confirm this, this is straight up fake news to me.

Edit: and if this is not the case, then I'm ready to post an Obiwan Kenobi 'you were supposed to be the chosen one', 'You had the highground' meme.

i honestly dont even know where this thought process comes from to remove rarity... acting like removing even more builds is going to change the fact that 40-60% of the playerbase has literally been using the same Bow with Lightning arrow for 10 fucking years lol...

thinking logically for literally 2 seconds, would make it so you come to the conclusion removing more builds, and playstyles, is bad.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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Innuendos#5095 wrote:

i honestly dont even know where this thought process comes from to remove rarity...

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honestly. i think it is even simpler.

whoever, in my opinion, holds this thought process...

fundamentally doesnt understand the problem.
and to a lesser extent.
the game/genre.

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Innuendos#5095 wrote:

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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Innuendos#5095 wrote:

i honestly dont even know where this thought process comes from to remove rarity...

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honestly. i think it is even simpler.

whoever, in my opinion, hold this thought process...

fundamentally doesnt understand the problem.
and to a lesser extent.
the game/genre.

And that's exactly why I think this is fake news, because Kripparian is a legend and a master in the genre.

ROFL. LMAO even.

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Malice_Shadows#5346 wrote:

They should just make currency not based on rarity like it is in POE that would fix currency rarity issues. since not all classes can get 100+ rarity without sacrificing resists and defenses and other things. that or remove resist penalty at end game make it 0% instead of negative number. either would fix it for most classes getting to 150 rarity.

Thats the point.

This is the time where im fine with the give and take philosophy GGG has.
This is righteous friction.

Its GREED
want more magic find ... awwww what happened to your armour.
want MORE magic find ... ohhh what happened to your DPS.
want MOAR magic find ... ohh where are your resists.

wan... ohh you are dead , well can't blame anyone but you.

manage your greed.
best game there is ..... ask any game show host.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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TrebligNairb#2645 wrote:

No, the Streamers are asking for IIR to be removed from affecting Currency drops,, not for its total removal or removal of the Soft Cap.

That would still be a dreadful move by GGG and I will do everything in my power and speak against it whenever I can.

They could implement it differently for pinnacles and abysses in order having other rarity juicing affecting areas.

But changing it so it dosen't affect currency would be a massive blunder/disaster. People would yell constantly in the forums vastly more than now that drops would be utter garbage. If on the other hand they make these drops too readily available without the gear, then this becomes a failed/dead game like D3/D4.

Rarity is a mod you have to work your way with to min max your gear and I like having to deal with this puzzle deciding which piece of gear I cut power to have rarity on it.

There are a lot of silent ppl not coming in the forums because they are not angry. Remove IIR on gear or make it void on currency scaling drop and you will see hostile comments on a level which you've never seen on this forums before.

Lol its really not that serious, chill out.

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Niszczyciel#1619 wrote:

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TrebligNairb#2645 wrote:

The current implementation is similar to the implementation in Diablo 2.

In Diablo 2 "Magic Find" affected all drops, but as the only currency was gold that was used to buy gear or to gamble, it was nowehere near as impactful as IIR impacting currency in PoE2.

Not true, in diablo 2 runes were main currency and they were absolutely not affected by magic find.

Not correct at all.

Runes were not a currency like in PoE. Runes were a crafting material but became the defacto item for the trade system due to their usefullness and the ability to recraft them.

Runes were not affected by Magic find when looking at chests in LK as they were fixed loot tables, but Runes were impacted by Magic find when coming from monster drops as the monster loot tables were all impacted by magic find.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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TrebligNairb#2645 wrote:

No, the Streamers are asking for IIR to be removed from affecting Currency drops,, not for its total removal or removal of the Soft Cap.

That would still be a dreadful move by GGG and I will do everything in my power and speak against it whenever I can.

They could implement it differently for pinnacles and abysses in order having other rarity juicing affecting areas.

But changing it so it dosen't affect currency would be a massive blunder/disaster. People would yell constantly in the forums vastly more than now that drops would be utter garbage. If on the other hand they make these drops too readily available without the gear, then this becomes a failed/dead game like D3/D4.

Rarity is a mod you have to work your way with to min max your gear and I like having to deal with this puzzle deciding which piece of gear I cut power to have rarity on it.

There are a lot of silent ppl not coming in the forums because they are not angry. Remove IIR on gear or make it void on currency scaling drop and you will see hostile comments on a level which you've never seen on this forums before.

I believe what the streamers are asking for (and I agree to an extent) is for currency drops to be on fixed loot tables based on the area difficulty. So currency from a T1 White should be lower tier than a T1 Yellow waystone (but not a lot) and the drops from T16's or T15 irradated etc. i.e. currency drops whould be the same for all players regardless of IIR on player or on the waystones.

The other issue that has been raised is the impact of IIR from aura bots (note for newer players - Aura bots are a player class setup, not an automated bot system) so a group of 6 players with an Aura bot can get more than 6 times the loot of a solo player.