Build variety my ass. Game has too many arbitrary and unnecessary restrictions.

Decidet to make a fun lore friendly build. Kinda off meta. Yeah, good luck with that. Game has so many restrictions that you will go insane before you make it work or rather realise in GGG head it wasnt meant to work ever.

I had an idea to make an Abyssal Lich that uses Kulemaks items. Because it fits with the league and the RPG elements. I wanted to use Apparition node on the ascendancy that copies spells and use His Winnoving Flame as my main skill. I would sacrifice very good wand+foci synergy but whatever, it sounds interesting and fun.

Here's how it went:

- His Winnowing Flame (HWF) can't ignite, and needs to consume ignite to summon it's toranadoes. Fair enough, lets get some fire spells.

- Lets do Flame Skulls that nobody uses with Cast on Minion Death to cast some fire spell and maybe add Fire Flower amulet so skulls die fast. Oh sorry, can't do that, Aparrition doesnt work with triggered spells.

- Can't take Blackflame because you need to go for Chaos Damage nodes to scale FIRE spells now. What is the point of conversion?

- Can't go and make Death Knight with Armor+ES because you won't have enough points for damage.

- Oh damn, you need power charges to actually use your Ascendancy node. So more actions before you can fight.

- Alright, lets make it simple, just throw some fire spells, cast some profane ritual for charges just to use HWF once.

- Oh, forgot to tell you, you can't use HWF for apparition because it can't replicate spells from items. It can't replicate bunch of other spells too. Here goes your HWF build.

- And yeah, and when it replicates a spell it deals 60% LESS damage for some reason.


And this is something i encountered with almost everything i tried to play. I WANT to choose something that is not meta but very often i can't even try. I don't care if its bad, i just want to play it. But i guess better play deadeye.
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MadSheo#0280 wrote:
Decidet to make a fun lore friendly build. Kinda off meta. Yeah, good luck with that. Game has so many restrictions that you will go insane before you make it work or rather realise in GGG head it wasnt meant to work ever.

I had an idea to make an Abyssal Lich that uses Kulemaks items. Because it fits with the league and the RPG elements. I wanted to use Apparition node on the ascendancy that copies spells and use His Winnoving Flame as my main skill. I would sacrifice very good wand+foci synergy but whatever, it sounds interesting and fun.

Here's how it went:

- His Winnowing Flame (HWF) can't ignite, and needs to consume ignite to summon it's toranadoes. Fair enough, lets get some fire spells.

- Lets do Flame Skulls that nobody uses with Cast on Minion Death to cast some fire spell and maybe add Fire Flower amulet so skulls die fast. Oh sorry, can't do that, Aparrition doesnt work with triggered spells.

- Can't take Blackflame because you need to go for Chaos Damage nodes to scale FIRE spells now. What is the point of conversion?

- Can't go and make Death Knight with Armor+ES because you won't have enough points for damage.

- Oh damn, you need power charges to actually use your Ascendancy node. So more actions before you can fight.

- Alright, lets make it simple, just throw some fire spells, cast some profane ritual for charges just to use HWF once.

- Oh, forgot to tell you, you can't use HWF for apparition because it can't replicate spells from items. It can't replicate bunch of other spells too. Here goes your HWF build.

- And yeah, and when it replicates a spell it deals 60% LESS damage for some reason.


And this is something i encountered with almost everything i tried to play. I WANT to choose something that is not meta but very often i can't even try. I don't care if its bad, i just want to play it. But i guess better play deadeye.

I'm playing a fire sorc and blasting through maps. I went from fire, to fire-ice, to elemental infusions and ended up back at fire-only, because I didn't find a way to make all 3 elements work.

Just because you can't figure out how to make your build work, doesn't mean there's only one build.
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I'm playing a fire sorc and blasting through maps. I went from fire, to fire-ice, to elemental infusions and ended up back at fire-only, because I didn't find a way to make all 3 elements work.

Just because you can't figure out how to make your build work, doesn't mean there's only one build. [/quote]

Im not saying there is one build. Im sayin what is noted in the topic. There are too many arbitrary and unnecessary restrictions.
100% agree.
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MadSheo#0280 wrote:
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I'm playing a fire sorc and blasting through maps. I went from fire, to fire-ice, to elemental infusions and ended up back at fire-only, because I didn't find a way to make all 3 elements work.

Just because you can't figure out how to make your build work, doesn't mean there's only one build.


Im not saying there is one build. Im sayin what is noted in the topic. There are too many arbitrary and unnecessary restrictions. [/quote]
You're saying you're defaulting back to deadeye, more than implying that's the op meta right now, which someone else figuered out.

Look at the build forum. More than enough working builds.
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MadSheo#0280 wrote:
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I'm playing a fire sorc and blasting through maps. I went from fire, to fire-ice, to elemental infusions and ended up back at fire-only, because I didn't find a way to make all 3 elements work.

Just because you can't figure out how to make your build work, doesn't mean there's only one build.


Im not saying there is one build. Im sayin what is noted in the topic. There are too many arbitrary and unnecessary restrictions.

You're saying you're defaulting back to deadeye, more than implying that's the op meta right now, which someone else figuered out.

Look at the build forum. More than enough working builds.[/quote]

I`d like to build my own. And my build wasnt going for something crazy or OP. Lore friendly even.
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MadSheo#0280 wrote:
I`d like to build my own. And my build wasnt going for something crazy or OP. Lore friendly even.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3851886/page/1#p26354617
I would presume Armor + ES will become more viable when there are classes to flesh out that portion of the passive tree
Only 2 major updates since 0.1 and only 1 major refinement to passive tree. Hopefully we see more improvements/refinements there before F2P/Release. 0.3 feels like a pretty strong step in the right direction, but I don't know how long until we see some big moves there again. We'll probably see some changes each time a new class/ascendancy gets added, like Strangehill mentioned.
Hopefully we see more viability for more diverse experimentation/builds as the game continues to develop. I don't know about "arbitrary and unnecessary" restrictions but I know I have felt frustrations towards trying to build up to a payoff and it doesn't work out. (Respeccing still feels a bit too expensive. But other than early league where you're super strapped for resources I can usually liquidate some market items to make my changes or turn off my filter and just pick up and sell everything I see for a bit.)
Don't get lost by being so focused on the target that you forget to enjoy your surroundings.
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MadSheo#0280 wrote:
I`d like to build my own.


No, you clearly don't like to build your own.

Building your own is a process that never works the first time. You come up with an idea and you try it - it doesn't work. It's never going to work the first time. You fail and you die and then you tweak your build a bit and try again. You fail again. You die again. You tweak some more. You die a little less and it feels better. You keep doing that until you find something that works.

That's what "building your own" looks like.

What happened here is you came up ideas and you tried them and when they didn't work you ran to the forums. That's not the behavior of someone who "likes to build their own." That's the behavior of someone who expects every idea they come up with to work out of the box because they don't have the patience to fail.
Last edited by Kerchunk#7797 on Sep 12, 2025, 11:15:13 PM

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