It's not fun anymore

I've never known a league where, not even including mercs in this, where I get one shot time and time and time again.

No amount of upgrades ever seems to make a difference, carefully selected 4 mod maps?

Doesn't matter one shot, and of course you cannot see **** on the ground either.

I think part of it is people are doing more high level content then they used to. Before t17 maps it was completely acceptable to farm t1 maps for profit but now everyone is trying to run the most juiced high maps possible. It's basically accepted now that your build has to be t17 viable now to be good.

New player from POE2 here.

I am kind of addicted to POE1 but also I hate it.

There are a lot of mechanics in the end game but that's not why I hate it.

It is random one-shots from off-screen when my screen is covered in complete garbage visuals so I have no possibility to see it. It's needing a degree in mathematics to try and min-max the life/Armour/ES/Res you need. I've not even started with suppression and have no idea what comes after that.

Even POE2 is not as bad as this game with the un-telegraphed impossible to avoid oneshot nonsense.

As for Mercs I barely even bother them unless they have an item I really want.

I hope they tone it down as like I say there's something v addicting about the game in general.

I think it was Sirgog that said that the problem isn't t17s, it's t17s mods. And after this league, I'd have to agree. I have a character that I'd consider uber-pinnacle ready, and yet I still find myself dying to most t16.5 or t17 maps instantly, it's like you said, you need every layer and maybe a mageblood for good measure, just to farm your everyday maps.

And t16.5s don't fix the issue, they make it worse, cus now you have t16s that roll t17 mods, meaning to farm these ones you'd also need those defensive layers.

It is one thing to want mods to matter, it is another to have every other mod be a run ender. And don't even get me started on 90% reduced effect of auras and stuff like that.

"fun" by GGG *TM

Yep, exact reason why I MUCH prefer poe2.

Sure, poe1 has more to do, fleshed out mechanics...blah blah. I don't really care. the oversaturated bullet-hell, 20 million effects and spreadsheet mentality isn't enjoyable. d2 days are over for a reason.

This is the first league I have actually played longer than 2 hours since poe1 Beta and each time I log in I am reminded why.

Even with content drought poe2 is a lot better.

What content is OP trying to do? Iam shit armour and 0 evasion lol.

All I have is max res + max block can do T17s.


What is OP even talking about?

All of those defenses and there is still nonsense in this game that will one shot you lmao. [Removed by Support]

The game in t16s can be fun, just don't watch a fubgun stream and expect to have the same experience. Carefully selecting the part of the game that is fun for you while not bothering what others do is the secret. I play mostly t16 and switch aroudn strategies, i do not make 10 div an hour and i don't care about it, lmao..
Delve is cool, too and solid moeny this league...

If you die there to often you probably lack defenses, it's not just the game. Chaos res decently high? Do you have good recovery? Are you an evasion build get easy amx suppress cap, voila, otherwise get 8xish max res and a boatload of armor...

The mods on those other maps are pure grief and that is why i don't play them much. Playing them anyway and expecting anything other than being frustrated is per definition madness.(do the same thing over and over while expecting another result).

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

I think it was Sirgog that said that the problem isn't t17s, it's t17s mods. And after this league, I'd have to agree. I have a character that I'd consider uber-pinnacle ready, and yet I still find myself dying to most t16.5 or t17 maps instantly, it's like you said, you need every layer and maybe a mageblood for good measure, just to farm your everyday maps.

And t16.5s don't fix the issue, they make it worse, cus now you have t16s that roll t17 mods, meaning to farm these ones you'd also need those defensive layers.

It is one thing to want mods to matter, it is another to have every other mod be a run ender. And don't even get me started on 90% reduced effect of auras and stuff like that.

i hear what ur saying, but why are they every day maps?

i think theres a section of players whos characters can farm them every day, and theyre in the game for those players right? they were already making chars like that because they could and the game felt really really easy. when they add pin content its for people who can do it, and those who cant handle it its just not for those people right?


ubers and maps are so different. theres things fighting uber bosses that just dont matter, when i farm them i set up characters for the fight. most of them im gonna take out grace, jade flask, i feel like good evasion is a very strong mapping defence thats almost irrelevant against most uber pin bosses. sometimes ill even turn off determ and remove granites.

mapping and bossing are different, often quite defensively weak characters are fine in uber fights because they got strong damage, the player has good skills, understanding of the mechanics and the defence they do have works against the very limited ways the boss is going to test them.


i have chars that feel pretty much immortal in t16 maps that i wouldnt feel that confident with in some uber fights and characters that easymode farm uber pin bosses but are not that good at mapping.


i do hear what ur saying tho. maybe the problem is just that these new maps are too rewarding and ppl feel like they need to play them? when rly theyre a bit like ubers, its there if you can do it and if you dont want to make chars capable then ur just not the target audience?








defences are there, they can be stacked. i think defences in poe1 are a lot better than poe2, they matter, theres a load of ways u can get them and its fun to put together a set of layers that synergise properly.

poe2 feels so restricting and not that impactful most of the time.

poe1 if u want a shitload of armour its not hard to get it, but thats not going to make you immortal. you want a decent amount and then some of this other thing, and that other thing. its like a zigsaw to solve and depending on your class, your skill, your item situation different pieces become more or less appealing/viable.


i got to be honest, i think part of the problem too is we have had too many years of softcore glass cannon brain rot and people dont rly have that knowledge base. thats not the only thing going on here, the damage in places is also wayyyyyy too high. the people in this thread are not completely wrong they have valid points.