XP penalty and likely 1 portal is NOT going anywhere

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PaintMaster#2396 wrote:

1. Literally 0 reason investing into defense at all or above bare minimum.
2. It doesn't matter if you die or not, you still have more portals anyway.
3. This encourage more and more people play exactly same fastest range builds.
4. This encourage people play builds that clear screens with half of gear being rarity and 0 defenses.
5. It just deletes build diversity, when most of players play same build.

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 wrote:

1. Seems kinda hyperbolic, no? You still need defenses. Easing up on the death penalty won't suddenly make them something you can skip.

2. You still lose exp, and if you're in over your head you aren't completing the map at all, you'll fail map mechs, and get piss for loot. In most cases, the map isn't going to be so beyond a player's gear and skill just because of one dumb mistake or bad luck moment or a single rare with cancer mod rolls that start 1-shotting an otherwise tier appropriate EHP.

3. One-attempt maps already promote safe, ranged, bad gear screen nukers just so players don't lose the map. If some people take advantage of more chances to push further than their gear or skill would allow, who cares? Let them. They hurt no one but themselves.

4. Rarity is its own problem and is another reason why meta screen nuker builds that can get away with piss for gear are as popular as they are. I have to work twice as hard if not harder and need that much better mods and tiering on my gear for worse results as a slam warrior. Rarity needs to be addressed badly because of class disparities and clear speed balance, and if one-attempt maps already promote piss for gear meta screen nukers, rarity is just crap icing on the shit cake.

5. Build diversity dies from one-attempt portals. Most players will optimize all the fun out of a game just to be efficient. If you can get more for less effort and risk, why wouldn't you choose that path? I, however, want to play what I like to play, and the game's current state of balance only exacerbates frustration I feel when I encounter that random one shot after a dozen, two dozen maps of relatively few issues, and lose not only the map and waystone but also any loot on the ground and the mechanics the map had, on top of exp and time.

The single biggest reason why one-attempt maps need to go the way of the dodo is it can create a negative feedback loop. If you're in a map sustain drought, just ONE lost map can mean you're running tier 10s and 11s when you regularly and consistently run T15. This is just another slap in the face to everything else you lose as a player to one measly death. We signed up for softcore for a reason. Other major reasons to give us six attempts and remove map respawn in campaign is that we lose the mechanics if we didn't attempt them yet, we lose the loot on the ground, and the game's damage calculations are so broken that in the same map you can fight two of the same exact rare mob where one can one shot you and the other doesn't even tickle; the random spikes kill me far more than anything else

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 wrote:

1. Seems kinda hyperbolic, no? You still need defenses. Easing up on the death penalty won't suddenly make them something you can skip.

2. You still lose exp, and if you're in over your head you aren't completing the map at all, you'll fail map mechs, and get piss for loot. In most cases, the map isn't going to be so beyond a player's gear and skill just because of one dumb mistake or bad luck moment or a single rare with cancer mod rolls that start 1-shotting an otherwise tier appropriate EHP.

3. One-attempt maps already promote safe, ranged, bad gear screen nukers just so players don't lose the map. If some people take advantage of more chances to push further than their gear or skill would allow, who cares? Let them. They hurt no one but themselves.

4. Rarity is its own problem and is another reason why meta screen nuker builds that can get away with piss for gear are as popular as they are. I have to work twice as hard if not harder and need that much better mods and tiering on my gear for worse results as a slam warrior. Rarity needs to be addressed badly because of class disparities and clear speed balance, and if one-attempt maps already promote piss for gear meta screen nukers, rarity is just crap icing on the shit cake.

5. Build diversity dies from one-attempt portals. Most players will optimize all the fun out of a game just to be efficient. If you can get more for less effort and risk, why wouldn't you choose that path? I, however, want to play what I like to play, and the game's current state of balance only exacerbates frustration I feel when I encounter that random one shot after a dozen, two dozen maps of relatively few issues, and lose not only the map and waystone but also any loot on the ground and the mechanics the map had, on top of exp and time.

The single biggest reason why one-attempt maps need to go the way of the dodo is it can create a negative feedback loop. If you're in a map sustain drought, just ONE lost map can mean you're running tier 10s and 11s when you regularly and consistently run T15. This is just another slap in the face to everything else you lose as a player to one measly death. We signed up for softcore for a reason. Other major reasons to give us six attempts and remove map respawn in campaign is that we lose the mechanics if we didn't attempt them yet, we lose the loot on the ground, and the game's damage calculations are so broken that in the same map you can fight two of the same exact rare mob where one can one shot you and the other doesn't even tickle; the random spikes kill me far more than anything else

More fallacies.

-Death penalties only affect people that die too much (you)
-Death penalties are only annoying for people being annoyed by simple game designs that stop them from showing off a non-deserved progress they could have obtained bashing their head on a wall long enough (you again)
-Death penalties are only an issue for people thinking they are better than they really are while being all equally punished accordingly by a machine doing simple maths (you still)

-Death penalties aren't an issue for people enjoying playing a challenging game.
-Death penalties aren't an issue for people accepting their own mistakes and willing to improve themselves.
-Death penalties aren't an issue for people accepting reality ; accepting this game as it is, or moving on.

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 wrote:

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PaintMaster#2396 wrote:

1. Literally 0 reason investing into defense at all or above bare minimum.
2. It doesn't matter if you die or not, you still have more portals anyway.
3. This encourage more and more people play exactly same fastest range builds.
4. This encourage people play builds that clear screens with half of gear being rarity and 0 defenses.
5. It just deletes build diversity, when most of players play same build.

1. Seems kinda hyperbolic, no? You still need defenses. Easing up on the death penalty won't suddenly make them something you can skip.

2. You still lose exp, and if you're in over your head you aren't completing the map at all, you'll fail map mechs, and get piss for loot. In most cases, the map isn't going to be so beyond a player's gear and skill just because of one dumb mistake or bad luck moment or a single rare with cancer mod rolls that start 1-shotting an otherwise tier appropriate EHP.

3. One-attempt maps already promote safe, ranged, bad gear screen nukers just so players don't lose the map. If some people take advantage of more chances to push further than their gear or skill would allow, who cares? Let them. They hurt no one but themselves.

4. Rarity is its own problem and is another reason why meta screen nuker builds that can get away with piss for gear are as popular as they are. I have to work twice as hard if not harder and need that much better mods and tiering on my gear for worse results as a slam warrior. Rarity needs to be addressed badly because of class disparities and clear speed balance, and if one-attempt maps already promote piss for gear meta screen nukers, rarity is just crap icing on the shit cake.

5. Build diversity dies from one-attempt portals. Most players will optimize all the fun out of a game just to be efficient. If you can get more for less effort and risk, why wouldn't you choose that path? I, however, want to play what I like to play, and the game's current state of balance only exacerbates frustration I feel when I encounter that random one shot after a dozen, two dozen maps of relatively few issues, and lose not only the map and waystone but also any loot on the ground and the mechanics the map had, on top of exp and time.

The single biggest reason why one-attempt maps need to go the way of the dodo is it can create a negative feedback loop. If you're in a map sustain drought, just ONE lost map can mean you're running tier 10s and 11s when you regularly and consistently run T15. This is just another slap in the face to everything else you lose as a player to one measly death. We signed up for softcore for a reason. Other major reasons to give us six attempts and remove map respawn in campaign is that we lose the mechanics if we didn't attempt them yet, we lose the loot on the ground, and the game's damage calculations are so broken that in the same map you can fight two of the same exact rare mob where one can one shot you and the other doesn't even tickle; the random spikes kill me far more than anything else