Can we have slow methodical gameplay from act 1 back please?

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Brisket5450#4084 wrote:

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CycloneJack#6077 wrote:

I still think they could add a section of the Altas Tree that keeps end game like the campaign, with fewer, more powerful enemies, and add in a few League mechanics that are tailored more towards that playstyle as well.

In the end, its on GGG to determine what this game is going to be, because currently, its a game with two different identities built from two different design docs.

more mobs = more exp and more loots. imo they must nuke all zoom zoom bull shjt. otherwise just update poe1 and delete this game

So you have some nodes that increase enemy HP, damage, and XP/Qty of drops. It obviously won't be as much as the screen spammer builds, but it should help them keep up a bit. (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3696085)

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CycloneJack#6077 wrote:

I still think they could add a section of the Altas Tree that keeps end game like the campaign, with fewer, more powerful enemies, and add in a few League mechanics that are tailored more towards that playstyle as well.

In the end, its on GGG to determine what this game is going to be, because currently, its a game with two different identities built from two different design docs.

Seems like this is where the Boss section of the map should come in - have an Atlas that focuses on boosting boss health etc in return for better boss drops. But right now I don't think it's enough, most of the game is still clearing the map and bosses are just 1 possible map mechanic with all the rest focusing on density.

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Orion_3T#9801 wrote:

Seems like this is where the Boss section of the map should come in - have an Atlas that focuses on boosting boss health etc in return for better boss drops. But right now I don't think it's enough, most of the game is still clearing the map and bosses are just 1 possible map mechanic with all the rest focusing on density.

No matter how many mechanics would favor slow playstyle as long as fast builds exist and can clear the same content - there will never be a choice and clearing whole screen will always be meta no matter what. Simply because they can do more content in the same time. The only way to balance fast playstyle is to not have ANY mechanics that enourage it (because it's inherently encouraged as long as it is possible) and make it impossible to do high end content with fast builds. If they can only do low tiers but very fast - it will be balanced.

personally i dont want to play dead ass map with a few mobs on it where i will use the roly poly strat to feel like i'm a tactical genious that is going strategicaly and methodicaly outsmart a bunch of weak ai mobs lol. So as much as i enjoyed the campain i also want to feel the evolution in power of my charachter to some godly point where i can fight armies of monster :p Not going to fight with grey normal stick for hundreads of houres even if it was enjoyable for a time :D

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Azimuthus#1135 wrote:

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How's that any different in PoE2? You learn not to stay in the circle that the witches from act one cast. You learn not hit the knights with shields being inf ront of them, otherwise the reflect would kill you, you learn to avoid the green floating goo that would annihilate you if you stay inside for too long.

Very different. I leveled 6 chars to at least Cruel Act 1 - this is where the most tactical gameplay is (A1-A3 normal). And I never had to change something in my combat with normal monsters (and in the endgame all of them are just A1 zombies, you stop even looking on them). The only combat where I tried to do something different (in A1-A3) were bosses.

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I'm not even sure what you're complaining about.

I don't complain. I explain you difference between Diablo 1 and PoE 2, because we were talking about that.

This whole discussion is starting to get very confusing. Like I said - the only reason that kind of progression in diablo was possible because it had no endgame so it was quite easy to balance the progress with the game being finite. Well, that and that it was a very basic sprite game limited by that time's technology. Besides, I personally don't remember any trouble with white mobs, playing rogue. But whatever.

And again, the very next D2 (arguably the best game in series and in genre) was full of speed runs, zoom-zoom builds, and mobs dying offscreen. So blame D2 for setting up standarts, I guess? Even Elden Ring (which many people here like to bring up for some mysterious reason) got builds that can oneshot things and it has way more room for balance (being a game with predetermined gear stats) than a game of gazillion combinations of stats and numbers.

The whole point of these kinds of games is not about skillful combat but in finding build and gear that would make you being able or at least very close to being able to oneshot everything. In short - the point is not about skill, but speed. Expecting anything else just because we can now dodge roll is like coming to a game with guns and start bitching about it not being a FPS. This is not a souls game, sorry.

Bah, I'm starting to repeat myself. Whatever, good luck with your fight.

ARPGs can definitely be slow and methodical, it's just not for everyone.

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

ARPGs can definitely be slow and methodical, it's just not for everyone.

slow and methodical needs everything to be balanced around it. there cant be to much character power, there cant be to much progress, things have to be gated and restricted to have this balanced environment. thats exactly why act 1-3 feel that way. its an constructed environment where everything is gated (lvl, gems, gemlvl, playerpower, gear, etc.) and freedom is gone to railroad a player through that experience. there cant be creativity and there cant be outliers.
the moment the gating gets less, builds start to kick in and characters are getting more power, the constructed environment starts bricking.
slow and methodical for the whole game is an illusion and it will forever be one. at least until they get rid of any freedom the player has. it would be a terrible game.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

ARPGs can definitely be slow and methodical, it's just not for everyone.

slow and methodical needs everything to be balanced around it. there cant be to much character power, there cant be to much progress, things have to be gated and restricted to have this balanced environment. thats exactly why act 1-3 feel that way. its an constructed environment where everything is gated (lvl, gems, gemlvl, playerpower, gear, etc.) and freedom is gone to railroad a player through that experience. there cant be creativity and there cant be outliers.
the moment the gating gets less, builds start to kick in and characters are getting more power, the constructed environment starts bricking.
slow and methodical for the whole game is an illusion and it will forever be one. at least until they get rid of any freedom the player has. it would be a terrible game.

Might be a good idea then, just remove rng gear etc and have fixed classes with talents and we chase other upgrades. more fun than the slop we have now.

same, very enjoyed playing first 3 acts, but endgame pretty much the same as poe1,and it's sad :(

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And again, the very next D2 (arguably the best game in series and in genre) was full of speed runs, zoom-zoom builds, and mobs dying offscreen. So blame D2 for setting up standarts, I guess? Even Elden Ring (which many people here like to bring up for some mysterious reason) got builds that can oneshot things and it has way more room for balance (being a game with predetermined gear stats) than a game of gazillion combinations of stats and numbers.

The whole point of these kinds of games is not about skillful combat but in finding build and gear that would make you being able or at least very close to being able to oneshot everything. In short - the point is not about skill, but speed. Expecting anything else just because we can now dodge roll is like coming to a game with guns and start bitching about it not being a FPS. This is not a souls game, sorry.

Correct. But thing is (in D2 in particular) -- game ENDS when you start oneshotting everything. Because this is the peak you've achieved, there is nothing more to do. Congratulations, you are a god. But to achieve that you had to work hard with a slow pace, overcoming challenging enemies. Here though (POE2) this lasts only for 3 acts. And after that game ends, because you become oneshot-clearer. Yes, you can still grind a bit more currency in maps to buy still better gear to oneshot endgame bosses, but generally game is done by D1 or D2 standards.