Early Access Feedback - Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand. - Forum

You know exp on death wouldnt be an issue if game had Visual Clarity Mob balance New code instead of copy paste from poe1 Shit netcoding for movement Im totally fine with exp penalty if its a game like poe1, where you can actually build your character in a variety of ways. But when its rerelease of poe1 as early access and all you got are less builds than diablo so you either play some meta shit which you wont ever be able to afford already or you just uninstall and move on to other things	Posted by Alivkos#3986 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:42:01 PM On Probation Quote this Post
" Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: dont speak for "the players". ggg is clear with it for years, they want a xp loss on death. you may not like it, but thats reality. deal with it. I just quit games when I get too frustrated with them. Not worth my time if I'm not having a good time. I don't need everything to be a huge challenge to enjoy it. Oddly enough. Trade/Crafting/Economy + XP loss on death are all the main reasons I don't play PoE more. All negatively impacting my play. Last edited by Akedomo#3573 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:44:34 PM	Posted by Akedomo#3573 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:43:38 PM Quote this Post
" Toforto#2372 wrote: " Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: dont speak for "the players". ggg is clear with it for years, they want a xp loss on death. you may not like it, but thats reality. deal with it. No, people will not "deal with it". They will instead click the Uninstall button and leave. Which is horrible for the long-term health of the game. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. GGG's goal with this game was to grow their playerbase, not shrink or stagnate it. They advertised it as "more friendly towards newer players". It's utterly failing at being that right now. People are giving feedback now, because they don't want GGG to be stubborn and wait until it's too late and only then cave in and make these changes. Because first impressions of a game are everything, they are losing players day by day, some of which will never return. No matter how much a dev tries to improve a game and attract players back to it, in some people's mind the game will forever be "bad" because it sucked when they played it the first time. there will always be people leaving and stop playing. ggg is not catering to everybody, who cares if somebody stops playing? nobody can prevent that and they are not trying. they want to create their vision, and nobody cares if some poeple dont like it. you cannot make a game for everybody, and poe never was on the casual side for sure.	Posted by Pl4t1numX#4325 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:44:32 PM Quote this Post
" Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: " BK2710#6123 wrote: " Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: dont speak for "the players". ggg is clear with it for years, they want a xp loss on death. you may not like it, but thats reality. deal with it. Companies want a lot of things but when customers are not dealing with it they backpeddle very quickly since their bottom line is more important than what they want. In fact, if only their vision matters then we do not need this forum at all. GGG wants you to make mistakes and remake your character because of hard respecs, see where that went. Now we can respec for gold. PoE1 bandit? Yeah. there are "i dont like xp loss" threads as long as i can think about poe, they never changed it and it was fine. maybe they change back to 6 portals, i would like that and balance other things, but the xp loss is the last thing they will change for sure. Completely irrelevant how they did things in PoE1. PoE2 is a different product and likely has different people involved as well. It is easy to see that PoE2 attracts people with no interest in 1 so using any kind of "it was like this in 1" argument is never particularly useful to either side. PoE1 already permanently lost all the players that do not want "X is bad in PoE1", PoE2 does not.	Posted by BK2710#6123 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:45:02 PM Quote this Post
" Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: there will always be people leaving and stop playing. ggg is not catering to everybody, who cares if somebody stops playing? nobody can prevent that and they are not trying. they want to create their vision, and nobody cares if some poeple dont like it. you cannot make a game for everybody, and poe never was on the casual side for sure. You're completely right. Instead of catering to the 90% of the playerbase that either could care less about XP loss on death, or would want it removed. They're instead catering to the 10% that want it, because they get an ego boost from it. I am pretty sure in this case, getting rid of a mechanic, or at the very least making it optional. Would bring in a lot of money and players to this game. Do you think GGG wouldn't desire more money? Last edited by Akedomo#3573 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:47:22 PM	Posted by Akedomo#3573 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:46:02 PM Quote this Post
i think they are catering to the players that let poe1 grow for the last over 10 years instead of some new players that leave anyway if they are asked to level again everytime a league starts. dont undestand it at all. everything introduced in poe2 is harder than in poe1, and people keep saying "its not poe1, it should be casual". its right its not poe1, its poe1 ruthless.	Posted by Pl4t1numX#4325 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:50:19 PM Quote this Post
" Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: i think they are catering to the players that let poe1 grow for the last over 10 years instead of some new players that leave anyway if they are asked to level again everytime a league starts. dont undestand it at all. everything introduced in poe2 is harder than in poe1, and people keep saying "its not poe1, it should be casual". its right its not poe1, its poe1 ruthless. I don't think people are arguing it should be casual. However, it should be a game balanced around bringing in a lot of players. And mechanics like XP loss on death are not good for that. IF PoE 2 is a success. PoE 1 will also get bonuses from that. So, knowing this. Why would you want to keep in a mechanic that actively pisses players off, and has tons of them quitting over it?	Posted by Akedomo#3573 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:52:05 PM Quote this Post
" Akedomo#3573 wrote: " Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: i think they are catering to the players that let poe1 grow for the last over 10 years instead of some new players that leave anyway if they are asked to level again everytime a league starts. dont undestand it at all. everything introduced in poe2 is harder than in poe1, and people keep saying "its not poe1, it should be casual". its right its not poe1, its poe1 ruthless. I don't think people are arguing it should be casual. However, it should be a game balanced around bringing in a lot of players. And mechanics like XP loss on death are not good for that. IF PoE 2 is a success. PoE 1 will also get bonuses from that. So, knowing this. Why would you want to keep in a mechanic that actively pisses players off, and has tons of them quitting over it? at first a new player has no interaction with xp loss for a long time. and if a player is not willing to learn and build a good character that can handle hard content, its better to tell him at some points. if somebody is dying constantly throug maps cause his character sucks, how should he do pinnacles or hard league mechanics? is the next step to nerf these things cause he cannot handle it? should the game be balanced around players that cant progress level 80 cause they die in every t12 map? i doubt it. should there be better balancing, telegraphing and fewer oneshot mechanics? for sure. should there be 6 portals instead of only 1? yes, i would like that. i dont like all map content and the map gone on 1 death, cause sometimes dying atm feels undeserved. but the xp loss isnt the problem and should stay Last edited by Pl4t1numX#4325 on Dec 25, 2024, 9:00:28 PM	Posted by Pl4t1numX#4325 on Dec 25, 2024, 8:56:55 PM Quote this Post
" Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote: at first a new player has no interaction with xp loss for a long time. and if a player is not willing to learn and build a good character that can handle hard content, its better to tell him at some points. if somebody is dying constantly throug maps cause his character sucks, how should he do pinnacles or hard league mechanics? is the next step to nerf these things cause he cannot handle it? should the game be balanced around players that cant progress level 80 cause they die in every t12 map? i doubt it. No one is talking about progression. We are talking about a mechanic that actively pisses tons of players off. That has people quitting. Do you want PoE 2 to be a success? Do you want PoE 1 to benefit from the success of PoE 2? You realize PoE 2 was separated from PoE 1, precisely because they want to work on making the game more appealing to a wider audience, right? Do you know the phrase 'shooting yourself in the foot"? Last edited by Akedomo#3573 on Dec 25, 2024, 9:02:13 PM	Posted by Akedomo#3573 on Dec 25, 2024, 9:00:53 PM Quote this Post
When the game exits EA it should be removed in standard league, and respeccing should be free in standard league so people can test builds and just screw around and enjoy content in easy mode, but that's about it. In league it needs to remain because it contributes a lot to the whole idea of league which is pushing and being as effective as you can with a particular build. You shouldn't be able to just brute force your way to max level with a bad build. Maybe an argument could be made that EA should've had free respeccing and no xp loss, but league is the primary way people play the game so I'm sure they want to test the balance of respec cost and xp loss as it would be in league. Last edited by Millor#4802 on Dec 25, 2024, 9:12:56 PM	Posted by Millor#4802 on Dec 25, 2024, 9:04:05 PM Quote this Post