Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

I mean I regularely am running 33-40% elemental pen maps, I am NOT playing ES and I still do fine. It always depends on your build which mods are good/bad/whatever for you.

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PhillipBurns#5461 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Very nice. Typical toxic reply of people. There is nothing to feel superior about this? Not sure how you missed my point when facts are very clear. If difficulty 4 Xesht can't one shot you, then it's safe to say that the game has much less one shot scenario compared to POE 1.Unless you ran a -20% to maximum all resist with another 1 damage modifier then its really on you. Since you claimed that there are so many one shot scenario in POE 2, can you post an example except for the monkey in act 6 and Blackjaw? Is there anything that can one shot you with a decent amount of hp pool and defence?

I mean you gave two examples and said not to use them so..

I guess you haven't been body blocked while playing melee and fighting River Hags. Full res but stuck in place = one shot.

Hell, I was literally one shot by a Vesper bat in the trials area yesterday despite being 15 levels over, full honor, full hp, no afflictions that would have made that possible. But nope, just zapped me once and my character died.

I don't think you really need examples. I'm confident you've died many times, and the reasons were not always that in which you could have controlled. You probably just have more time to play and make up for those deaths.

Do you even read the patch notes or hot fixes? When they removed the purple whatever thingy on death effect because of layering issues, did you think to yourself "that was just a skill issue if you died to that" Nah you probably didn't. There are plenty of situations that need to be looked at so they can fix them and prevent players from needlessly dying.

IDK what this guy is on about there are a TON of one-shots that aren't bosses.

Have less than perfect gear and get hit with chaos dmg? Probably a one-shot.

Juice up an expedition? Plenty of one-shots.

Have map bosses at +4 difficulty? Most of them have one-shots.

Run any map that has more than four modifiers? Every mob can kill you in 1-2 hits.

Get swarmed by phys monsters? Stun chain that feels like a one shot.

I have no idea why people are saying there aren't one-shots lol

most so called 1shots are actually a shotgun of several damage instances - not all of them, but most.

Yeah but if you're stun chained, chilled, shocked, and poisoned by the "shotgun" how is it different? It's still get hit once and you're dead.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The average player doesn't care about ladders lol

but average player need to hit lvl100 with minimal effort? interesting

There's not a single lvl 100 in the game after 3 weeks of EA. And those people have been no-lifing the game + they have the best gear, broken builds and far better understanding of the game than average player.
Hell, there are only 3 99s and 23 98s.
Is that minimal effort?
When people like that can't hit 100, it shows you that the game is clearly broken and the penalty is too severe.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The average player doesn't care about ladders lol

but average player need to hit lvl100 with minimal effort? interesting

There's not a single lvl 100 in the game after 3 weeks of EA. And those people have been no-lifing the game + they have the best gear, broken builds and far better understanding of the game than average player.
Hell, there are only 3 99s and 23 98s.
Is that minimal effort?
When people like that can't hit 100, it shows you that the game is clearly broken and the penalty is too severe.

its not the penalty holding them back.

Map area lvls are lower than in poe1 you can easily sustain area lvl 83+ in poe, which means the level penalty in poe2 is a lot higher, also we dont have 5ways in poe2 which means no cheesy way to get to 100 within a day.

We got less movement speed and coverage (that might change if temporalis gets abused more)
And density on maps is a fraction of juiced poe1 content.

So how is it surprising again that people level up way slower?

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

most so called 1shots are actually a shotgun of several damage instances - not all of them, but most.

Taking any instance of damage in which you cannot do anything about before it leads to your death is a one-shot in my mind.

For example, 4 boulder ants rolling at you from off the screen into a body block that force pushed you into AOE or a rare mob that just happened to be winding up his one-shot swing that my evasion didn't kick in for, is a one shot. How do you even prevent that? Stun threshold? Idk.

Yes, the map mods matter. Yes, resistances matter. Yes, the obvious matters..

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PhillipBurns#5461 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

most so called 1shots are actually a shotgun of several damage instances - not all of them, but most.

Taking any instance of damage in which you cannot do anything about before it leads to your death is a one-shot in my mind.

For example, 4 boulder ants rolling at you from off the screen into a body block that force pushed you into AOE or a rare mob that just happened to be winding up his one-shot swing that my evasion didn't kick in for, is a one shot. How do you even prevent that? Stun threshold? Idk.

Yes, the map mods matter. Yes, resistances matter. Yes, the obvious matters..

The difference being that evasion/armor/ghost shroud actually work very well against multi instanced damage, while against single high damaging hit only real %mitigation and high hp pool does work.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

right, this is why rougelikes (games with most extreme death penalties) are popular.... and poe2 is far from that lol. you need something like puzzles or stardewvalley(i assume you don't have negative outcomes there)

I enjoy playing roguelikes, so let me enlighten you.
While the penalty for dying in roguelikes is really high (=you lose your run), there's usually some progress mechanic that you advance every time you finish the run, no matter whether it was successful or not. Successful runs usually have much better rewards, so you are REWARDED for being good instead of being PUNISHED for being bad. You have some power-ups or unlock new items/cards/whatever (depends on the game). Yes, you failed your run but you still progress. Roguelikes don't delete your earned XP and permanent upgrades.
Hades invented a great mechanic for people who have less skills. They called it 'GOD MODE'. But it's not really a 'god mode' in a sense that we are used to. You don't instantly delete whole screens of monsters or anything. You just get 20% damage resist and it goes up by 2% every time you die capping out at 80%. The difference? It allows lesser-skilled players to enjoy the game while high-skilled players can brag about beating the game on regular setting. And Hades was a huge success.
If it wasn't for this mode, I would've never bought the game. It's simply too fast for me, I get hit eventually and die. I died a lot but when I got to like 46% DR, I was able to finish the run for the first time.

And this is why I liked the slower pace of poe2 in the acts. But maps are the same zoom zoom fast cancer as poe1 and it's annoying.

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

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PhillipBurns#5461 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

most so called 1shots are actually a shotgun of several damage instances - not all of them, but most.

Taking any instance of damage in which you cannot do anything about before it leads to your death is a one-shot in my mind.

For example, 4 boulder ants rolling at you from off the screen into a body block that force pushed you into AOE or a rare mob that just happened to be winding up his one-shot swing that my evasion didn't kick in for, is a one shot. How do you even prevent that? Stun threshold? Idk.

Yes, the map mods matter. Yes, resistances matter. Yes, the obvious matters..

The difference being that evasion/armor/ghost shroud actually work very well against multi instanced damage, while against single high damaging hit only real %mitigation and high hp pool does work.

I agree partly. They would need more defensive layers throughout the game including in the campaign, which might be the case on full release. But currently I don't think it's reasonable to always have the right amount of armor, evasion, HP pool and resistances leading up to the harder content.

I doubt most witches and sorcerers were stacking stun threshold and armor for Rathbreaker a2. That encounter has multiple instances of damage as well as his one-shot swing & many, many players ask for help on that one mob. Just like my monk had zero armor at the time I died to boulder ants pushing me in the early map tiers. I had to get the ascendancy that converts some evasion into physical reduction which came way later.