The amount of outrage is insane. The point of EA is big changes.

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AlvinL_#4492 wrote:

Eh, w.e reroll, try something different. Don't be a streamer and you'll get to play your build :D

there's a reason streamers play builds and people play the streamer builds, they're the only good builds to play and ggg just killed most of the good builds in the game and are coming for the rest.

this is ggg not nerfing the game. look at 3.15 + in poe 1 and their " buff leagues" that are 99% nerfs. this is a buff

If things are going to constantly be in flux you should have the ability to change your build without going bankrupt.

expectations of a game that was almost a decade in development, yeah actually.

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Fractalmind#4252 wrote:

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TheFecalLord#0782 wrote:

Uhh, early access for any game I've played was just a weekend, or up to a week of access before the game released to masses. And it was paid for. This is quite different. Labeled "early access", but you're paying them to beta test and server load test for them.

I don't agree with the process, and calling a six month beta test early access, but I'm not against them raking it in either. I'm not one of those people who are going to pay them to do that. If I obtained a key freely, i'd play. But i've supported a few hundred bucks already in my time playing over the years. Seems silly to pay to beta test for them.

I think you're conflating the thing AAA companies have started doing to give a few days before proper release to people who will pay for it, and it's considered a pretty scummy move.

A lot of real early access games are months/years with heavy developer involvement. And it is abused, but I don't think that's the case here.

Fair enough if you don't want to participate. However, it's essentially free since you get the equivalent points in the shop in both games. I personally think it's fun and exciting to be part of this and be able to test and give good feedback but can understand your position too.

I'm not conflating, most early access is just to balance the servers for the big show. AAA or not. It's a week, tops.

This was supposed to be a free to play game we "support". What is "free" about paying $30 for a key, and some coins for the store? 300 doesn't get you all that much, and you know this. You're essentially paying to beta and load test for them for six months. That is F'd up in my opinion.

If I had to guess, if they made it fully free, no $30.00 charge, people would have supported them anyhow, and possibly with higher tier purchases. But it's just a guess. Still won't change my mind about paying to beta test for six months. People will be done with the content probably by January. Who's to test for them then?

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TheFecalLord#0782 wrote:

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Fractalmind#4252 wrote:

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TheFecalLord#0782 wrote:

Uhh, early access for any game I've played was just a weekend, or up to a week of access before the game released to masses. And it was paid for. This is quite different. Labeled "early access", but you're paying them to beta test and server load test for them.

I don't agree with the process, and calling a six month beta test early access, but I'm not against them raking it in either. I'm not one of those people who are going to pay them to do that. If I obtained a key freely, i'd play. But i've supported a few hundred bucks already in my time playing over the years. Seems silly to pay to beta test for them.

I think you're conflating the thing AAA companies have started doing to give a few days before proper release to people who will pay for it, and it's considered a pretty scummy move.

A lot of real early access games are months/years with heavy developer involvement. And it is abused, but I don't think that's the case here.

Fair enough if you don't want to participate. However, it's essentially free since you get the equivalent points in the shop in both games. I personally think it's fun and exciting to be part of this and be able to test and give good feedback but can understand your position too.

I'm not conflating, most early access is just to balance the servers for the big show. AAA or not. It's a week, tops.

This was supposed to be a free to play game we "support". What is "free" about paying $30 for a key, and some coins for the store? 300 doesn't get you all that much, and you know this. You're essentially paying to beta and load test for them for six months. That is F'd up in my opinion.

If I had to guess, if they made it fully free, no $30.00 charge, people would have supported them anyhow, and possibly with higher tier purchases. But it's just a guess. Still won't change my mind about paying to beta test for six months. People will be done with the content probably by January. Who's to test for them then?

If you think early access is somewhat exclusively to be used for a couple months you are dead wrong. Period.

Look at Satisfactory.

Look at Project Zomboid. Its in EA since about a decade.

It's the developers choice. Not your's. You act absolutely entitled.

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If you think early access is somewhat exclusively to be used for a couple months you are dead wrong. Period.

Look at Satisfactory.

Look at Project Zomboid. Its in EA since about a decade.

It's the developers choice. Not your's. You act absolutely entitled. [/quote]


You resort to calling me entitled. EA is the publisher, not the developer. Get your stuff straight. And both of those are games I've never heard of. I don't go searching steam for indie games either. And at this point, GGG is pretty big for it's only proprietaries are path of exile and path of exile 2.

I wouldn't exactly consider them indie anymore. They're big dawgs now, surpassing 100m on one game alone, per year. Not small to me.

And again, don't mix up PUBLISHERS with DEVELOPERS.

And as far as your entitled horse shit, I'll say it again, you're paying to beta test. But that makes me entitled? Bro, you just wanna argue for arguements sake at this point.

Another git gud game is fine, it's just EA thread...What's the point of an EA if people don't get frustrated with changes being them good or bad ? Do you guys even know how feedback works ? You take the good from the shills and take the bad from the haters and make a blend were everyone is welcomed...Just because x likes it hard in his huhu doesn't mean y doesn't have the right to complain that he wants it soft and so he can enjoy it as much as the one that likes it hard.

A good game forces a paradigm in a direction without forgetting the other direction and trying to adapt to as many people as possible...

People saying git gud, the game is fine cuz it's hard, are the ones that are going to rant about paying some money for a game that won't be getting more support because the project didn't go well, and then they will think "maybe we should have thought about the other people to still have a game to play....THAT HARD GAME THEY WANT.

No I am not saying to make it D4 stupid easy, I am saying that enough listening to the "we want it hard" part and start doing a blend of it. Even the content creators agree about that because games need retention not some random dude's from some random country entitlement that he finished the game on hard core mode...Because the vast majority funds the project not that one dude who can now die happy cuz he killed the colossus prior to the boss getting a nerf.

You are not getting a badge of honor because you play the game 50 hours and smash your head to the keyboard until you beat a boss, much like you are not getting that badge of honor for hitting a button and deleting the whole map...Both of the parties are wasting their time, so both parties are entitled to waste their time in their own way, hence the different rants from when nerf happens or if the game is not what one or the other party thought


The "we like it hard" party should tone down and the "it's crazy hard" party should try to shout their opinion to get something to make it easier so that both parties enjoy the same game.

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TheFecalLord#0782 wrote:

You resort to calling me entitled. EA is the publisher, not the developer. Get your stuff straight. And both of those are games I've never heard of. I don't go searching steam for indie games either. And at this point, GGG is pretty big for it's only proprietaries are path of exile and path of exile 2.

I wouldn't exactly consider them indie anymore. They're big dawgs now, surpassing 100m on one game alone, per year. Not small to me.

And again, don't mix up PUBLISHERS with DEVELOPERS.

And as far as your entitled horse shit, I'll say it again, you're paying to beta test. But that makes me entitled? Bro, you just wanna argue for arguements sake at this point.

You've misunderstood. This isn't about EA the game publisher, it's about Early Access (EA). The game publisher EA has nothing to do with Path of Exile.

I still don't understand those who defend and call those who oppose it babies. You don't want to understand. Charged Slam was nerfed, no one said anything. Because it was needed. "Cast on x" builds could have been nerfed, no one opposes it. Now a mechanic has been officially removed from the game. Builds have become trash. They have become unplayable. Is it that hard for you to understand this? Stop being funny by blindly defending.

Blind defenders like you are the reason why games always have bad decisions.

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FaZe_Midian#2894 wrote:

as someone with decent intelligence

It's not showing.