GGG - Stand true to what you said about player feedback

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tyrespoe#5113 wrote:

The problem is HOW they've tuned the game, not the level of difficulty they are trying to achieve.

The bottom line is I have a very capable endgame character: 92 Titan with 4K life, max all resists, max block, and 90% constant physical reduction in T15's.

I play extremely cautiously, move constantly (spam leap slam mostly), and am very aware of any waystone mods or events that are active.

And yet, I still die EXTREMELY quickly (as in less than 1/2 a second) to a long list of overtuned things in the game. Just last night I was doing a very easy non-damage boosted blue T15, and died INSTANTLY while doing a Ritual Altar.

The culprit?:

Mass spawned purple bubbles (Ritual modifier) combined with mass spawned elemental bubbles (blue mobs that spawned during the Ritual). This killed me from 100% health to 0% in a small fraction of a second, while mid leap-slam. This is just bad design, and not meaningful difficulty by any stretch of the imagination.

I myself am not telling GGG to tune down the difficulty, instead they need to properly playtest the game and determine which outliers are making the current difficulty unfun to play. The exp rate is way too slow to justify losing 10% of my entire level to pure nonsense overtuned mechanics.

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Spartiicus#0215 wrote:

I don't think most players hate the difficulty. They hate:

Time wasting mechanics: 10% XP loss on death, low loot drops
Unfair mechanics: Invisible on death effects, un-telegraphed one shot enemy attacks, on death effects in general
Content locked behind challenges impossible for some builds: Trials
Insane trade system: which would be a nonissue with good drops
No deterministic crafting: which would be a nonissue with good drops

Slow and difficult would be fine if the slowness and difficulty was organic and not artificially inflated with nonsense mechanics designed to frustrate players.

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Rafkin4#7914 wrote:

Find ways to make the game enjoyable so the difficulty is irrelevant.

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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Rafkin4#7914 wrote:

Find ways to make the game enjoyable so the difficulty is irrelevant.

Difficult IS the part that is enjoyable. Solving problems and overcoming obstacles IS the fun part.

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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Rafkin4#7914 wrote:

Find ways to make the game enjoyable so the difficulty is irrelevant.

Difficult IS the part that is enjoyable. Solving problems and overcoming obstacles IS the fun part.

Yes, for some people. They enjoy really difficult games.

Which makes sense why there should be a difficulty option. For those that want a difficult game, and then for those that want to relax while gaming.

Or, the game should be tuned to appeal to the most players it can. Offering decently difficult content for all, but not over the top. Then everyone can enjoy it.

Right now, PoE is only tuned for the very top end of players, in requirement of time, and 'difficulty'. Which makes it very unappealing to the masses.

People simply don't like spending hundreds of hours in games, because there's mechanics in it, that add hundreds of hours of time to it.

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sekushiiandee#4336 wrote:

your opinions are valid but one thing rubbed me the wrong way... if youre referring to diablo 2 as your standing point to the current development and complexity of the game industry now....its a little silly to me


back then there wasn't really a true feedback forum or outlet for diablo 2

back then internet was so slow and limited, people didnt wanna waste time trying to complain about waiting this time

back then there were literally like....3 decent online multiplayer games

back then the games were actually slow, thought out, not nerfed to the ground, and fun

back then if you didnt play the it games, you werent cool (junior high, HS, college)

its not like now where we literally have 100+ mmos to play, thousands of other games to play


these problems and issues are unique to poe2 (and 1) specifically

trying to compare how a company back 30 years ago did things in a dry landscape for gaming doesnt drive your point






regarding the game.....the only part of the this that has been slow and deliberate has just been campaign. end game is nothing slow and deliberate at all


also the difficulty is fine....the problem is when you add difficulty without a way to learn....thats BS to me

endgame mechanic is essentially just straight difficulty without opportunities to learn from your mistakes

im not trying to play a hardcore mechanic and one and done. im trying to learn your game so i can be better. you dont give me the opportunity to do that if you have me farm for days to get keystone fragments to die and then have to farm for days to get those fragments again



even d2 mods like brother laz and median XL were better fleshed out in their challenges and rewards than this game

and theres still powercreep in this game