Why can't people afford $30 for EA and instead beg?

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HwtChirino#2462 wrote:

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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HwtChirino#2462 wrote:

Where I'm from, we look down on beggars.

Clearly.

Do you also look down on people asking for help? In your honest opinion, what are the differences between the two?

Sorry, are you ever going to provide a substantial argument to this debate?

Why am I answering your questions when you don't answer mine?

But, since I'm actually a charitable person, I'll indulge you. No, I don't look down on people seeking help. In fact, I support US programs that aid low-income families and individuals.

What I detest are people who could afford to buy a $30 EA key, but instead choose to take advantage of nice people and do it publicly.

Like I said, giveaways are a different setting. During giveaways, there is actually ZERO public begging; the begging is confined to a more exclusive setting. Public begging is reserved for people in desperate need of basic necessities like food, water, shelter, etc (NOT GAMES). Public begging means the individual is in such dire need that they have zero family or friends who will help, and they have sacrificed all their pride to get what they need to survive. Again, this is not related to a luxury like video games.

You don't seem to have any education or knowledge then in the psychological breakpoints people have when it comes to desperation and availability. That kinda makes your "I'm actually charitable" statement an egotistical farce.

When opportunity shows itself, people will flock to it in desperation. They can't control it normally, it's a totally rational instinct to seek out resources when you don't have them. That urge amplifies as the desperation increases.

Take hunger for example: when you're just slightly peckish .. you can still afford to be picky and patient. As you get hungry, more food choices feel more appealing, because your body is no longer as concerned with all of the social, economic, or physical barriers in place to keep you from eating. As starvation enters the equation, your ethical / moral compass starts to dull, because your instinctual need for survival is taking over more and more. This is why people are willing to steal when they never have before, to beg when they never have before and were previously very proud people; how they're willing to eat moldy hamburgers straight from the trash bin.

That instinct doesn't just program itself based on your own social-economic beliefs about video games. PTSD doesn't just turn off because you're in a toy store surrounded by puppies.

What's rational to yourself, with your vastly different social and economic standing, ( which is clearly a bit pompous ) doesn't necessarily apply to other people with vastly different upbringings or environments.

Entertainment is part of the necessities you need in life to grow / recharge. If PoE is the only game someone can afford to enjoy, and only game they can actually enjoy, then telling them they can't have it is akin to a hardship. Just like if you told grandma she can't have her flower garden anymore; that might be the only thing keeping her going in her old age.

Im one of the people who asked for a key on forum so I will gladly explain it to you.
First of all Im not living in poverty and Im living in average european country I would say(there are better ones and worse ones).

Average salary is 1800$ a month. Thats influenced by capital city salary so cut 20% if u live outside of capital city.
1440$- 20% tax, 10% healthcare so u are left with 1036$.
My rent for 70m2 flat is 800$ with electricity and gas and I live with gf so we can split that. Thats 636$ left.
Food is usually around 250$+ for single person if you want to eat like normal human being.
thats 386$ left for clothes, car stuff like insurance and gasoline, hobby, cinema etc. You would be surprised but u are happy if u save 100$ a month. That can go for christmas, vacation, romantic dinner, furniture or in my case boiler repair this month.

Let me remind you that its not even minimum wage. minimum wage here is 800$.
World is becoming really expensive even for people like me who are living on average incomes.
I hope u understand it a bit more now.

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HwtChirino#2462 wrote:

What I detest are people who could afford to buy a $30 EA key, but instead choose to take advantage of nice people and do it publicly.

Look man, as someone who got given a key (giveaway, u can check my forum history) and actually had the capability to purchase a $90 pack in the past, Where I'm from $30 takes a week or two to afford, on top of having a PC capable enough to run the game, and the size of 100gb costing around $10 here to download.

All I have to say is, most people who beg for a key, knows the fact that people who have extra keys are getting those keys with an equivalent of currency or cosmetics ingame- essentially making the keys "free" to an extent. U can always detest people who take advantage of others yes, and there are a LOT of them even in real life. However there are a lot of people who are actually need the help so much that not having to pay $30- nor wait an entire year could be the difference between having fun and being depressed or making stupid decisions that could impact their family. Cue "If you can't afford, don't play it and wait till its free"

And no I'm late 20, And no I have a job, And no I don't want a Ferrari either. Games are a stress relief, sorta like Medicine. The joy of being a part of PoE 2 Launch with everyone means a lot even if a fleeting moment, and to boot I have an extra $30 to save for expenses. And yes, even though I am being given a key I'm still planning to buy Faridun pack eventually.

And yes I could wait, but it doesn't hurt to try. It isn't like an actual beggar situation where u inconvenience others and harass them for money. I'm not sure about others but atleast I try to be polite about it, And I don't think theres anything wrong with that. I'm thankful that someone was kind enough to gift me a key.

To add, There are some people who are fortunate enough who can spend $30 without the need to make a decision, and if they're willing to help I'd say we all do our part to make the world a better place and not bring more negativity into the world eh? I'd give my keys too if I had some laying around or when I bought my pack.

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HwtChirino#2462 wrote:

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hacr#7772 wrote:

Your argument is that I shouldn't be offended by video game beggars? Wow, good one. I see your rationality is quite developed. /sarcasm

Are you going to reply to ANY of my points from earlier?

Your quite the special one :)

Fun fact, these people asked for keys, not your stance on the matter.
Yet you opened a thread asking a question that you clearly know the answer too and you repeadetly stated your oppinion on this matter and are unwilling to change it.

So enlighten me, whats this thread about but to seek attention and to show ignorance.

$30 dollars is a lot of money for people in third world countries. Hence why removing the regional pricing was such a big deal.

A high percentage of these beggars are just playing you.

Dont be a mark.

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HwtChirino#2462 wrote:

Genuine question. I don't want to assume the worst of people, but honestly that's the only thing my mind does. Maybe because I'm a trash person? Okay, that's one opinion, and guess what, I support opinions. So please share yours.

My hypothesis is that most people begging for a key are under 18 years old, unemployed, and lack parental finances. The darker hypothesis is that they're just cheap-skates exploiting charitable individuals.

I want to add that people saying the price is too high in their country aren't actually providing a good excuse for begging. For example, yes, I would LOVE to own a Ferrari sports car. Who wouldn't? But I'm not going and asking millionaires to give me their Ferrari just because I really want to drive it.

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In general, begging is simply shameful. In the USA, it's a social norm not to beg publicly unless you're desperately in need. This sort of behavior is deplorable in our country. Giveaways are a different story. See, there, no one is begging. It's nuanced, but that's how it works.

Relying on the concept of "common" requires a shared concept, but sharing doesn't necessarily require begging (and I believe you are not "begging" here.)

Mate i live in a european country and the average hourly wage 3.5€
which is basically 3,70$. When your rent is around 400-500 then yeah money is tight :/

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Blackstaff4#4170 wrote:

Mate i live in a european country and the average hourly wage 3.5€
which is basically 3,70$. When your rent is around 400-500 then yeah money is tight :/

I situations like this, I'd be more worried about eating and getting my needs met instead of a video game. I understand the OP. If you're asking for 30$ to play a game then most likely not everything else is so okay that you should be worrying about playing a FTP game early. I've been in a situation where I've had to pawn many items just to afford rent and enough food to eat every other day, not once during that time did I consider spending money in a game. And if someone had given me money, I'd have used it wisely, not on a game.

In my opinion the ppl who can't afford to spare 30$ or whatever it is in they region to pay, they shouldn't play the game, but try to make some many instead. I've been down the hole with money, I didn't had any money left after I payed all bills, what I did? I got another job, didn't had any time to play any game. But I had money to pay my bills and for food. And don't tell me that there is no job to do, there is always something to do, its about what ppl are willing to do for what they want. But sadly some ppl are willing just beg..