Divines per hour more important than fun

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SerialF wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

If someone is buying temples from you it is obvious he can profit from it more than he payed :) Thats kinda obvious. How many divines/hour would it make fun for you?

lol , you re trolling at this point, I am talking content you re talking abut double corrupting an item. this guy would also dodge all the content in the temple. like a 40/40 dude is not aware they just run straight to the double corrupting room to do it on a uinque they bought on the market. PEAK CONTENT. apparently you define this as fun. you sure sound fun.
anyway your solution is profit , who s going after div per hour now.

It was you who claimed that there is nothing of value in temples and you have to sell them, so I don’t know why you’re so defensive about it. Some people do it for profit, some for fun (even make content on twitch/youtube around it) and double corrupt is not the only thing there. It is obvious that other find fun and profit where you dont see it. And since we’re on it, how much div/h would you need to get to consider it fun, because it seems important to you.
Edit: I’m also fascinated why you’re thinking that I’m trolling you, please elaborate.

I find its only a small minority that takes seriously the div/hour formula

Honestly, if everyone, or even if most players, took that formula seriously, most of the game would be straigh up not playable because that would mean everyone is only doing 2/3 leagues of content and only stuff related in some way to those 2/3 more profitable content would have any market, but people still play stuff like breach, abyss and ritual. I can sort of say as someone who sometimes sell sextants, sure, sextants related to harvest and ambush are hotter, but market for less profitable content is hardly dead

People just pick a content they enjoy and roll with it with not much mind on how much profit they make from it or could be doing with other content, average player is quite at peace that they will not be entering the market of mirror services(wich only makes sense, as one guy already told, playing outside party just dont make any shred of sense if all you care about is profit. If you dont want to play on party and just care about div/hour, no reason to leave the h/o at all, just youtube some craft formula for the current meta build or gamble on multiplying mirror cards by harvestcraft)


I also think OP is missunderstanding about the "game is dumb, you need too much to work". One of the selling points of the game is about build freedom and thing is, it IS expensive to make something original currently

Can you copy a build some streamer use and roll content with sub 3 divs? Sure you can, but im fairly sure a good portion of people dont like being told how exactly to gear the character, nor like being forced to use some specific skill
Ninja kinda tells us that picking one skill will tend to force you to go for a specific setup, or picking a uniq will force you to stick to a small set of skills. Want to try to use the cool skill with that interesting item you got? Its a super common drive to create a new character on this kind of game, its also likely gonna cost horrendous amounts of currency to make it work if its not one of the "correct" combos(heck, even a generic concept like "flicker strik with a 2h weapon to recreate dota's juggernaut" is hella hard if you lack a farrul)

But unlinked Farrul is 60c… Someone wrote that to make non meta build people need 200div (sound and is absurd). Offmeta builds are usually way cheaper, what budget do you consider as required?

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Nomancs wrote:

But unlinked Farrul is 60c… Someone wrote that to make non meta build people need 200div (sound and is absurd). Offmeta builds are usually way cheaper, what budget do you consider as required?

Again, you miss the point

The very fact we are corraled to a specific item is the issue, it dont matter if its a mirror-priced or just a 1c thing, people just dont like that "you want that skill? Theres the setup to follow"
And no, original stuff is hard to make, the amount of people on ninja that took that simple "2h flicker and no replica farrul" and made it past 97 is a very small population
Offmeta is hardly cheap, you seem to consider "offmeta" any build that is not played by the top 1%, but if we take "offmeta" as "any build that uses a skill or item and dont follow the same route as the 60% most used", THAT is not cheap at all, and its what peope more often venture on. Most dont like being corraled, players on a RPG(ish) like to experiment stuff and divert from the tried and true, THAT is expensive on poe, even consistent deathless alch-and-go T16 is not exactly trivial if you dont go for the "correct" setups

And btw... farrul is cheap, but flicker builds asks for replica version, those are not exactly cheap

Oh right replica is more - that is a very rare example but if you need to follow that one item seems like a fixed pattern without gear flexibility. Im sometimes playing my own and off meta builds that are mostly dirt cheap, because not many people play them. You dont need expensive stuff to make working builds - budget is mostly an excuse when something isnt working. Most used almost always mean more expensive, but plenty of things you can easly craft yourself. You can have plenty of fun with it, make own builds without calculating it on divines/hour - and topic is about vocal minority that claim something not fun because it is not enough div/h, so Im not sure what point you’re trying to make.

I play the game to kill beasties, grab a bit of loot, hopefully find something nice, get enough ingame currency to craft gear, occasionally buy an item in trade, rarely ever bother selling anything in trade, and don't really care if I drop divines along the way.

Most of the time my gear is crap, but eventually RNG will be kind and I'll manage to craft something half decent :)

Playing the game for me is fun, not amassing billions of ingame currency which, after all, is still only pixels on a screen.

Perhaps it helps that I'm a veritable old fart at 64, Grandma to 6 boys :)

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Nomancs wrote:

Im sometimes playing my own and off meta builds that are mostly dirt cheap, because not many people play them. You dont need expensive stuff to make working builds

Im gonna have to drop it: summoners are notorious for being low budget, so THEY are the rare example

Also, toxic rain, spark, agony herald and tornado shot are not exactly non-meta stuff

(yes, i took a peek at your profile, you got me legit curious and i went to see if i could take some ideas i could implement)

And about the vocal minority: I already said, very small minority. Vast majority of players dont really care about profit when deciding wich content to play, every content is profitable and people who bitch that "mechanic X is breaking the game" tends to get ridiculed anyway even on this very forum

Oh no, non of the builds you mentioned are my own, those were the more or less popular ones (and some I had to reroll to work better for some challenges). My own are some of the other like molten strike that I did ubers in some recent leagues and scored 40/40 (and yes, it was dirt cheap). And yes, the topic is about vocal minority.

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Nomancs wrote:

It was you who claimed that there is nothing of value in temples and you have to sell them, so I don’t know why you’re so defensive about it. Some people do it for profit, some for fun (even make content on twitch/youtube around it) and double corrupt is not the only thing there. It is obvious that other find fun and profit where you dont see it. And since we’re on it, how much div/h would you need to get to consider it fun, because it seems important to you.
Edit: I’m also fascinated why you’re thinking that I’m trolling you, please elaborate.

youtube content around temple without any double corrupting, just send me a quick link for that content lol and dont point me at a guide :)

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SerialF wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

It was you who claimed that there is nothing of value in temples and you have to sell them, so I don’t know why you’re so defensive about it. Some people do it for profit, some for fun (even make content on twitch/youtube around it) and double corrupt is not the only thing there. It is obvious that other find fun and profit where you dont see it. And since we’re on it, how much div/h would you need to get to consider it fun, because it seems important to you.
Edit: I’m also fascinated why you’re thinking that I’m trolling you, please elaborate.

youtube content around temple without any double corrupting, just send me a quick link for that content lol and dont point me at a guide :)

Point me out where I specified that youtube content is not based around double corrupt? I dont think I could have been more clear about it. How hard youre trying to twist my words is astonishing