PoE Overlay vs Awakened? Help a returning player!

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7. Restrictions: Under no circumstances, without the prior written approval of Grinding Gear Games, may you:

c. Utilise any automated software or 'bots' in relation to your access or use of the Website, Materials or Services.

Yeah i forgot about that because this actually unenforcable bullshit on GGGs side. If someone writes a Webcrawler that indexes metadata of pathofexile.com it would violate the ToS lol. Good luck with banning that. This is just some example of saving your ass in terms of lawspeak.

And no, even the price check is one query to the API triggered by the user. There is no automated Software, there is no bot, there is only you setting the Scope on your Searchquery in the tool and sending it.

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tsunamikun wrote:

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7. Restrictions: Under no circumstances, without the prior written approval of Grinding Gear Games, may you:

c. Utilise any automated software or 'bots' in relation to your access or use of the Website, Materials or Services.

Yeah i forgot about that because this actually unenforcable bullshit on GGGs side. If someone writes a Webcrawler that indexes metadata of pathofexile.com it would violate the ToS lol. Good luck with banning that. This is just some example of saving your ass in terms of lawspeak.

And no, even the price check is one query to the API triggered by the user. There is no automated Software, there is no bot, there is only you setting the Scope on your Searchquery in the tool and sending it.

Don't forget about the 'unfair advantage' clause

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CAKE wrote:

Ofcourse you can get banned for this, and you should!
Think about definition of game cheating "gaining advantage over other player by means not intended by the game examples: hiding playing cards in your sleeve, using third party software that provides advantage"
If you would not gain advantage by using third party software, why would you?

For third party software that deletes your account on death you could even make argument that it does not provide advantage. But for app that partially automates
>Trading
>Chat
>Party invites
>Party kicks
>Help with rolling maps/sorting dumptabs
>Highlight dangerous map mods
>Price-check multiple categories of items
>Support for custom cheat-sheet (Betrayal etc)
You can not make that argument, it is obviously providing advantage with these and many more features otherwise no one would use it.

It doesn't automate those things though - you still have to press keys to do them all.

The unfair advantage thing is nonsense - you can use an overlay to price check something or you can waste your time looking it up on website but the overlay doesn't give you any more information than is already publicly available.

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tsunamikun wrote:

There is no automated Software, there is no bot, there is only you setting the Scope on your Searchquery in the tool and sending it.

This post is just factually wrong, i read the source code and you can too because it is open source. It does partially automate many tasks.
What would be the point of using it if it did literally nothing for the user?
That makes no logical sense and source code is proof.
Bot is just script and this app provides scripts for partial automation of various tasks, it is just fact that you can go verify in the source code. Cheddar is cheese, not all cheese is cheddar. This software is not bot, but it does provide large degree of automation which is exactly why people download and use it. These 2 statements are not mutually exclusive.

"I woke up 4am, cold sweat, shaky hands with these words in my head ;I need to install that third party software that does nothing for me!;" Yeah sure, that happens all the time...

To not be detected one has to do very little as far as we know:
One button one server action
Not injecting in to process memory

But 1 server action is not the same as 1 action. To open your inventory, detect the rolls on all items, pick worst item and throw it on the ground can be one server action. Because opening the inventory and many more things are or can be done client-sided. 10000client actions can literally be just 1 server action or even 0.

But the software clearly did many actions for very little manual involment(pressing single hotkey) in this example.


And in source code you can see that it does tens of these automated tasks

ToS does not say that they ban only botfarms either. So It does not even matter for this discussion anyway, only the advantage part matters here.

There are hundreds of actions automated by this software to various degree, some work with no user input, some work with hotkeys.

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It doesn't automate those things though - you still have to press keys to do them all.

The unfair advantage thing is nonsense - you can use an overlay to price check something or you can waste your time looking it up on website but the overlay doesn't give you any more information than is already publicly available.

What you are trying to claim here is that it is you who made the coffee with no automation involved, not the coffee machine. Because it is you after all, who clicked 1 button on the espresso machine or in mobile phone app.
But if i remove the coffee machine from the room, suddenly you are gonna have very hard time grinding the coffee beans in your mouth, then boiling the water in your ears and releasing it over the ground coffee at perfect time, temperature and pressure to make your cup of espresso. Maybe it was not mainly you who was doing the work after all huh? I wonder how is delegating your work to the machine called in one word... could it be something starting with A..auto? automath? Oh i know, automation.

And it sure is advantage to have good espresso machine compared to doing it all manually... advantage large enough for people to pay 15000 dollars for it in professional enviroment.

Or advantage large enough for people to download free third party app for game.

I debunk your first claim with source code which is avaible.
I debunk your second claim with my example and your own statement "you can waste your time looking it up on website" Not wasting time is advantage, and implies that this software makes you faster and more comfortable... in other words you said that it provides advantage

So we got here
>third party software
>provides advantage(as confirmed by you)
>provides degree of automation(which results in the advantage mentioned by you)

Look, use whatever you want guys. Just do not try to lie to me about it when facts are not on your side. For all i care everyone can get replaced by AI and the only thing that will happen is that my trades will be smoother and AI will not forget to say TY after trade. :DDD

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

Look, use whatever you want guys. Just do not try to lie to me about it when facts are not on your side. For all i care everyone can get replaced by AI and the only thing that will happen is that my trades will be smoother and AI will not forget to say TY after trade. :DDD

dude when the AI hits and we are still alive we will have games that will evolve in real time specifically to your play style.... RPGs will be fkn insane

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

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tsunamikun wrote:

There is no automated Software, there is no bot, there is only you setting the Scope on your Searchquery in the tool and sending it.

What would be the point of using it if it did literally nothing for the user?
That makes no logical sense and source code is proof.


Look, use whatever you want guys. Just do not try to lie to me about it when facts are not on your side. For all i care everyone can get replaced by AI and the only thing that will happen is that my trades will be smoother and AI will not forget to say TY after trade. :DDD

Thank you, I was waiting for the thread to get to this point so I could say exactly this.

It's a hilariously wrong argument on its face to simultaneously hold the position that 'this tool isn't automation, it only saves me time by automating the tedious things I don't want to do' LOL

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The unfair advantage thing is nonsense - you can use an overlay to price check something or you can waste your time looking it up on website

As long number-name said, use whatever you want but understand that it is factually against the ToS and as always, your account is your responsibility.

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innervation wrote:

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The unfair advantage thing is nonsense - you can use an overlay to price check something or you can waste your time looking it up on website

As long number-name said, use whatever you want but understand that it is factually against the ToS and as always, your account is your responsibility.

You both conveniently ignored the rest of the sentence which was "the overlay doesn't give you any more information than is already publicly available" which is the relevant part. I'm confused as to how it could be giving an unfair advantage.

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RandallPOE wrote:

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innervation wrote:

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The unfair advantage thing is nonsense - you can use an overlay to price check something or you can waste your time looking it up on website

As long number-name said, use whatever you want but understand that it is factually against the ToS and as always, your account is your responsibility.

You both conveniently ignored the rest of the sentence which was "the overlay doesn't give you any more information than is already publicly available" which is the relevant part. I'm confused as to how it could be giving an unfair advantage.

Then you are being intentionally obtuse. It automates the process and gives it to you instantaneously with 1 click.

It's all been explained to you at length with irrefutable proof.

It's not hard to see.

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superbomb1967 wrote:

Then you are being intentionally obtuse. It automates the process and gives it to you instantaneously with 1 click.

It's all been explained to you at length with irrefutable proof.

It's not hard to see.

It's an overlay that interacts with the clipboard data that is accessible to anyone when you highlight an item and hit copy, it's not doing any of this in game and it's not displaying the results in game.

Matey boy's "irrefutable proof" involves an irrelevant screenshot of source code from Github without having any understanding of what it's actually doing and rambling on about coffee machines, it's just waffle.

Are there any plans for POE2 to rework and/or substantially improve the currently absolutely disastrous trading system?

Having to go outside the game (on a trade website for example) to do anything game related is a huge L - design/development.

It would also not stimulate the need to create something such as trading overlays, which do provide an advantage, compared to manually fracking around with filters on a trading website.