Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

sigh this killed my joy so time to skip the next league , and at same time u also skip my 60 bucks i saved for next support pack

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

PoE launched 8 years ago and I do not see a single mirror item in your league character. Guess it's too easy?

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

I'm not a new player, in fact i'm a closed beta player...

Harvest is the only craft system i see in the game and is far from being deterministic with its 5 layers of RNG

Making a good item needs time even with harvest, other systems are just GAMBLING !!

Path of Exile has some good systems to hook the player for a long time, but only if in the end the player is able to do part of the end game.

It took me 300h to get to t9 maps with an off meta build.
It took me 2 month playing 5 hours a day again also 300h to get from t9 to T16 because i could double my dps with some harvest crafts and far from being good items with mods between T2 and T8...

Beating Sirus / Maven will need me to make / enhance my build to at least 2M DPS. I will not gamble to achieve that...

What you say just make no sense to me...

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smokedust wrote:

Around 1 year ago GGG started to show some blizzard like behavior, but I was in denial, because this could not happen to the the company behind the greatest diablo like game since, well since diablo 2. But seeing almost 450 pages on this thread with 0 reactions from GGG is hard to ignore, an remain in denial. Started to get some flashbacks since the release of D3 and the way blizz "interacted" with the community, and how connected blizz was with the community. Hope I'm wrong but I'm getting this strong feeling of deja vu.

Edit: By this point the reaction doesn't even matter for me anymore as long as there will be one. Just pick a side and communicate it to the community. At this point I'm sure the aftermath can't be worse than having no reaction at all.

The signs have been there for years bud, for me around 2016

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

Your mentality is awfull too.

A lot of players have a... job, for example. They don't want a second job. This is game. Game must be fun at the first place.

Most of criticism to harvest nerf comes from the fact, that PoE has no crafting system before harvest. Even now, with harvest, it's still affected by gambling a lot, but this more likely can be called a 'craft'.

But more important thing: GGG even can't figure why exactly we have 440+ pages in that thread.

After 400+ pages its clear this game NEEDS a real crafting system and not a Gambling fest....Its not clear to me why does it hurt anybody if not only the 0.1-1% can complete the end game?

OR let the gamble system in the current state whatever....then pls change the crappy loot! For example above x ilvl the rolled modifiers cannot be below x tier or specific mods cannot be rolled to that base....

Also you could just simply remove many useless modifier from the game like block recover or 2hp regen etc.

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

Man, don't worry about the hateful comments. It's just an eco chamber. The developer is GRINDING Gear Games, the genre is hack n slash ARPG. Yet people don't want to grind. When they introduced harvest, I quit the game and came back this league after playing for a day or two in other leagues. The game is not for every one, just like Dark Souls isn't for every one. It has a certain model and certain dynamics to it.

The devs knew they were making a huge mistake when they introduced harvest for the first time. The nerfs now SHOULD have been in place before re-introducing harvest this league. Anyways devs are staying true to their original game mentality and design. And it takes heart and balls to do this. Sure they might lose a bit of profit next league but this is good for the game in the long term. And harvest is still very strong, people are just mad because of mob mentality.

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Azarhiel wrote:

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

I'm not a new player, in fact i'm a closed beta player...

Harvest is the only craft system i see in the game and is far from being deterministic with its 5 layers of RNG

Making a good item needs time even with harvest, other systems are just GAMBLING !!

Path of Exile has some good systems to hook the player for a long time, but only if in the end the player is able to do part of the end game.

It took me 300h to get to t9 maps with an off meta build.
It took me 2 month playing 5 hours a day again also 300h to get from t9 to T16 because i could double my dps with some harvest crafts and far from being good items with mods between T2 and T8...

Beating Sirus / Maven will need me to make / enhance my build to at least 2M DPS. I will not gamble to achieve that...

What you say just make no sense to me...

I've beat sirus before with 300K DPS. Cant speak on maven I suppose her vortex's would pollute screen too much with a zDPS build. anyway most fights are about not making mistakes not DPS. One dude beat uber elder at lvl 30 a few leagues back... Anyway, DPS just make it easier because mistakes dont compound nor flasks run out.

As far as Harvest the most powerful mods have no tiers like explody ... just add phys until you get it and meld on another OP influence with wakening orb so stop pretending like tons of RNG is involved. Most powerful mods have 1 or 2 tagged tiers you just add/remmove and GG. Phys weapons with like 14 tiers and 3 phys mods needed are the big exception and are hard to make even with harvest. As you are on older player you should understand RNG and grinding is what we signed up for not add remove the item editor Harvest is.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

I've beat sirus before with 300K DPS. Cant speak on maven I suppose her vortex's would pollute screen too much with a zDPS build. anyway most fights are about not making mistakes not DPS. One dude beat uber elder at lvl 30 a few leagues back... Anyway, DPS just make it easier because mistakes dont compound nor flasks run out.

As far as Harvest the most powerful mods have no tiers like explody ... just add phys until you get it and meld on another OP influence with wakening orb so stop pretending like tons of RNG is involved. Most powerful mods have 1 or 2 tagged tiers you just add/remmove and GG. Phys weapons with like 14 tiers and 3 phys mods needed are the big exception and are hard to make even with harvest. As you are on older player you should understand RNG and grinding is what we signed up for not add remove the item editor Harvest is.

As an older player with a 70h week job and some other duties in real life i can't commit to play more than what i did over two month and being burnt out in the process...

Yes for some parts harvest is a way to edit you item, but never prevent you from making a mistake and ruining your gear so it is not an item editor per se.

I make mistakes because i'm not 25 yo and i don't have the reflex to dodge sirus shit all the time.

I don't mind RNG in loot and grinding as i do just that on RPG's, but i do mind that a crafting system is not a gambling system, and in PoE, everything outside of harvest is only gambling for now.

The only way the orb system could complement a crafting is by narrowing down the tiers of mods depending on ILVL, but it will never be a crafting system as a whole.

And on a side note :

Everything in harvest is random (wrote in every line of every carft i saw)
Gardens are random
Seeds are random

So i don't know you can't see the layers of RNG in Harvest, but i do see them and make it a middle ground but not yet good enough crafting system.

Last Epoch as a pseudo deterministic crafting system with mods (Max tier) not being able to be crafted
Chronicon has a pseudo deterministic crafting system and you can lock mods in place.

Those does not make those games less attractive and more casual... (And i allready play both of those but don't have the same appeal that of PoE)

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/889671#p7594234

first 3 words sum it up as to how things actually work. what they say and what they do are 2 completely different things. close to 4500 replies with silence from GGG. you people clearly need to learn what communication is. your silence only tells me that you KNOW what you're doing is wrong by nerfing harvest