Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

There are a million good ways on the internet how harvest could have been reasonably nerved. GGG, of course, decieded for their own and completly over the top one and killed harvest all together. GG GGG.

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Ahahahah I wonder how many people ITT are gonna see this in the next couple hours.

The most moronic comment in this entire thread.

Finaly GGG this was a really needed nerf.

As a go hard player that always go for 40 challanges and lvl 100 i felt that harvest was too powerfull.. but because it was "TRADABLE" that was the problem.

If it was farmable i dont think it would mater because you only have 3 months of league.

With this beeing said my suggestions to keep harvest as they were is:
1) After craft with harvest make it account bound, so each player could only farm for himself.
2) each item would have a harvest craft counter, like each item could only be crafted in harvest 5 times or so.

Anyways, thanks GGG!!!

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OrlocTheEternal wrote:

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sirgog wrote:

This has made me much more excited for 3.14. Thank you for having the courage to do this

I played Diablo 1 with item editor cheats as a teen, and they took all of the fun out of the game.

Harvest in the hands of an experienced player feels just like that, and it's sapped my interest this league to know that whatever I'm doing in game, I would get much more powerful crafting rewards by grinding scoured tier 9 Haewark maps, then sitting in a trade discord.

When the most powerful strategy is as anti-fun as that, it kills interest in the game.

Harvest will remain the dominant way to craft jewels with these changes, and a lot of the second tier crafts will become good with the broken ones gone.

Also let this be a lesson - you can't balance with rarity. All 'balance through rarity' achieves is concentrating wealth.

Honestly this is really dumb and insensitive to people who don't have a lot of time to play.

He is typically very smart and well reasoned in the videos. I wonder what motivated these takes.

I have almost 37 challenges and ran a ton of maps and have never encountered any remove/add or augment chaos... So I don't get how crafts are too easy to obtain or too common. Just make them untradeable/get rid of TFT and let us store more of them please.
Also it would be great to add a Stash to the Sacred Grove, so that you can scour items in case you need your base to be magic to apply crafts. That would be great QoL.
The changes outlined in the manifesto really feel like a giant step in the wrong direction...

reading this post, i noticed that there are insanely different player groups.

i dont like this changes, harvest should just be removed from the game.

I dont like the changes. The Harvest was certainly to powerfull when it was introduced to the game with unlimited Horticrafting stations and to some annoying to manage the garden (personally i didnt mind), but I feel like currently it is for sure still powerfull, but mainly in the hands of seasoned and experienced players. Which in the end will craft OP items eighter way. So in the end the ones being f*cked the most here are the casual and newer players.

This change will be a turnoff for many newer, casual and also veterans which in the end will hurt your game. I personally love Harvest as it is and it was the ONLY reason why I came back to play ALOT this season (skipped Heist league because there was no Harvest).

So my final thoughts:

If these changes go trough I will not play the next league. So thats atleast -1 person that spends easily 150-200 USD each league I play.

Cheers.

"We don't want to take away the feeling of closing your eyes and Exalting an item, scared to see whether you ruined it or not."

is that a joke?



My most enjoyable leagues have been Harvest and Ritual and purely because crafting did not feel out of reach. /RIP harvest

What exactly is your goal? to make this game unbeatable by the casual player? only the ones that put 8h a day can do end game content?

if that is you goal ie. dont care about increasing playerbase/make money and only developing a game for the elite players .... then you are going in the right direction.

A game needs to be hard but challenges need to be achievable with a reasonable amount of time. Deterministic crafting allow casual player to do that in a 3 months season + try a build or 2 more. Remove that and casual player will either quit or RMT for currency to buy them from elites and feel the sense of achievements.

I do not understand why you are so keen to do "your vision" and not just give players what they want. You are scared we will be bored? no on the contrary we are just gonna try another build and minmax it again... with a reasonable amount of effort.

Screw streamer and high profile players ... this is the most fun i ve had and the most engaged i have been ... and i didnt buy one chaos in RMT. So pls for the love of god do not take away a feature that allows me to feel good and have fun without burying my real life. (it's not at all as easy as you think it is for normal players... 2 months in and still not maxed).

PS: I suggest you do a poll and let players vote...